Posted by EnySpree:

Nixluva, you da man bro.

Curry is just learning how to stay in the game. In Chicago the coaches there just took him out whenever he got in foul trouble. Defensive replacements, etc. That's how the bulls do business. Want proof? Look at sweetneys day ass. That guy has gotten fatter in Chicago. Individually he is a hungry hippo, but if you want to maximize your players ability to produce you have to stay after your players. Its obvious the bulls don't have time for all that.

Posted by nixluva:

1st of all, it's true Eddy is a poor defender in a team concept. He actually does a decent job on his own man, but he has a long way to go in terms of team D. Putting his hands up more would be a nice start! The thing is tho that you can't minimize what he does on offense, since so few guys score as much as he does and as efficiently as he does in the post. NO it's not easy to score in the post, if it was there'd be a whole bunch of guys doing it. In terms of his own D, he doesn't allow guys to just score in the post against him. Our biggest problem is that we have holes on the perimeter and he's not able to close them by coming over and blocking shots or at least altering more of them.

I don't think anyone has any false hope that he's gonna be anything great in terms of shot blocking, so we're prety much looking for a PF who can help in that regard. A Marcus Camby would be perfect alongside Curry. Now i'm gonna shock you and all of the guys that keep talking crap about the idea of getting Curry some help. It's no different than a team that has a defensive guy with no real offense, which is actually quite common. Teams then look for a PF who can SCORE to put alongside that defensive center. SO WHAT if we do it in reverse. We won't be the 1st team to ever do that and it will be just as effective. Contrary to the crap that many keep spewing, it won't defeat the purpose of having a dominant offensive Center if we have to pair him with a Defensive PF. That's just STUPID! Yes we need Curry to improve defensively, but I still would want to put a banger next to him to solidify our frontcourt. I'm hopeful that he will trim down and be more active and if he does that we'll have an All Star Center for years to come.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by EnySpree:

Nixluva, you da man bro.

Curry is just learning how to stay in the game. In Chicago the coaches there just took him out whenever he got in foul trouble. Defensive replacements, etc. That's how the bulls do business. Want proof? Look at sweetneys day ass. That guy has gotten fatter in Chicago. Individually he is a hungry hippo, but if you want to maximize your players ability to produce you have to stay after your players. Its obvious the bulls don't have time for all that.

It's not surprising why they're the 49 and we're the 33 win team. We do the coddling; they do the tough love. Either you improve or you take a seat on the Bulls.

Thing with the bulls is they want a ready made product.

They drafted craw and curry. Not to mention Chandler and brad miller, and artest. They are not a patient organization. They want guys that can play right now and will ship whoever doesn't play to their standards.

How long did they keep craw on the bench behind jay Williams when craw was clearly playing better?

The bulls just operate different. Still they did get lucky with hinrich and Gordon. Nobody thought Ben was gonna be a NBA shooting guard, and nobody thought hinrich would be such a solid NBA point guard. They do fit the ready-to-feed mode the bulls are looking for.

Both Bulls and Knicks get lucky to get players at some point not so long ago which carried them to champs or get them very close. Since then both teams adopt the philosophy that they need this player again to win it all and all the rest (patience, building players on your own, building the dynasty, have a system) is irrelevant.
So here we have some results... And these results will be same until this false approach will be abandoned.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I think you're confusing tough love with impatience. The Bulls patiently rebuilt an awful team into a very good, very promising young team. They just didn't coddle their wussy players. They sent them to the Knicks instead!

The Bulls traded Elton Brand, Ron Artest, rights to Mike Miller, Brad Miller which would have been a playoff contender in the east for the last couple of yrs.
So who is patient. They traded Elton Brand for Chandler who they later traded for PJ Brown I think and whatever else they got. They traded Ron Artest & B.Miller for Jalen Rose which turned into I don't even know?

They didn't patiently build they just changed plans.

They also didn't show Curry tough love as if he didn't have the heart thing he would still be on the team. All they did with Curry is use him as an low post role player and had Tyson Chandler cover up for him as a rebounder shotblocking specialist. So Bulls just used the same approach as Nixluva said the Knicks should use. So what tough love approach has Chi used to develop Curry's game?? It wasn't tough love it was trying to maximize Curry's strengths while hiding his weaknesses. Thats why they used there PGs to open him up rather than develop his low post game. Thats also why they took Curry out when they wanted to go defense. Not to punish him but to try and win. So I don't see where they tried to develop his all around game.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I think you're confusing tough love with impatience. The Bulls patiently rebuilt an awful team into a very good, very promising young team. They just didn't coddle their wussy players. They sent them to the Knicks instead!

The Bulls traded Elton Brand, Ron Artest, rights to Mike Miller, Brad Miller which would have been a playoff contender in the east for the last couple of yrs.
So who is patient. They traded Elton Brand for Chandler who they later traded for PJ Brown I think and whatever else they got. They traded Ron Artest & B.Miller for Jalen Rose which turned into I don't even know?

They didn't patiently build they just changed plans.

They also didn't show Curry tough love as if he didn't have the heart thing he would still be on the team. All they did with Curry is use him as an low post role player and had Tyson Chandler cover up for him as a rebounder shotblocking specialist. So Bulls just used the same approach as Nixluva said the Knicks should use. So what tough love approach has Chi used to develop Curry's game?? It wasn't tough love it was trying to maximize Curry's strengths while hiding his weaknesses. Thats why they used there PGs to open him up rather than develop his low post game. Thats also why they took Curry out when they wanted to go defense. Not to punish him but to try and win. So I don't see where they tried to develop his all around game.

Those players they let go were with a different GM. I wasn't referring to previous Chicago GMs. They showed Eddy tough love by benching him when he didn't try on defense at times at least. It's smarter than letting him get away with being lazy on D for 36 mpg.

I don't think they sat Curry thinking it was a punishment. They sat Curry #1 because of foul trouble. & When it was because of his D, I can bet it had more to do with them trying to win the game than them trying to punish Curry.


I could argue that leaving a player out there while he is playing poor defense could end up being very embarrassing for that player. That could be a form of tough love as well. Pulling him quickly for being lazy on defense could keep him lazy as much as motivate him tp want to do better. He could end up being content with just playing his role and allowing someone else to play D. Rather than wanting to develop his defense further. While Curry isn't a bad guy. I don't see him especially when he was younger as a player that craves greatness. So expecting him with his personality to decided to do it by his own will wouldn't be a good plan. But maybe if he was given more responsibility and depended on further knowing that his teammates depend on him to be more. That would push him to want to be more.

I could argure that Chi has been softer on Curry than NY has so far. They had Chandler there to cover for his defense. They had Hinrich & Duhon controling the ball and getting him shots. While in NY he is kinda forced to hold his own without an elite shotblocker or banger beside him. And he is depended on to develop his post game and expand his post game to the level where he doesn't commit many offensive fouls, turn the ball over, learns how to pass out of the post, and develop his offense so he could be a efficient 24pt scorer.

How much focus & pressure did Chi put on Curry to become a complete player? And how much did they just settle with him being a one dimensional low post offensive player? How much did they just sit back and hope Curry one day decided to do it on his own. And how much did they push him and get on him and put him in the position to be more?

Responsibility and having people depend on you can be very tough. Nobody wants to be the one to let people down. The knicks just might have to end up doing what Chi did and bring in the players to help cover Curry's weaknesses if he proves he can't handle that type of responsibility. But I think this one season with the knicks and being there many man has probably done more for the development of Curry than his whole stay in Chi.

Leaving the player in when struggling on defense is embarrassing for the player and punishing to him only if he cares about defense. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to apply to Curry.