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TrueBlue
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6/9/2007  1:02 AM
Well looky looky we have 2 Top 10 players in the Finals yet no one wants to watch them, Why? I mean Lebron is supposed to save the NBA and Stern makes sure he's the choicest of Faces to represent this league. Heavily markets Lebron not only here but to the world. Tim Duncan is a 3 time champion, greatest power forward ever. Spurs have a team of foreigners so all the(European and Latin American) living in the states should be tuning in right(Globalization) Even when you look at last yr's numbers it's pathetic. Wade another choice face of this league Shaq 3 time champion and Dirk(foreigner) all Top 10 players can only do a 7.8

Compare that to 5-6yrs ago when Lakers and Sixers were playing, it was Game 3 but still
Star Power Continues To Elevate NBC's NBA Finals Ratings
Game Three of the Lakers-76ers NBA Finals earned a 16.1/26 overnight Nielsen rating on NBC last night, a 24% increase from last year's Pacers-Lakers Game Three and a 30% increase from '99's Spurs-Knicks Game Three. The Philadelphia market pulled a 40.8/55 yesterday and L.A. earned a 34.4/58, …

My question is was it really star power or was it the teams playing in the Finals? Was it because Lakers vs Philly is a historic Rivalry, mixed with a little Large Market viewing?

The common denominator is that no one likes the Spurs even though the media likes Tim Duncan but where's the Lebron factor in all of this? We're all Witnesses right but if no one is watching are we truly Witnesses?


Keep up the Good Work David Stern

NEW YORK (AP) -- Game 1 of the NBA finals drew the lowest rating ever for an opening-game in prime time, dropping 19 percent from last year.

The San Antonio Spurs' 85-76 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers on Thursday night earned a 6.3 rating and 11 share on ABC. The previous low was a 6.4/11 in 2003.

Last year's Game 1 between Miami and Dallas earned a 7.8 rating and 14 share.

The rating is the percentage watching a telecast among all homes with televisions, and the share is the percentage tuned in to a broadcast among those households with televisions on at the time. A ratings point represents 1,114,000 households.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2007 12:20 AM]
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6/9/2007  1:28 AM
Again, your point in all this alludes me. Your theory is that if these two teams met under a different commissioner the ratings would be better; or that under a different commissioner these two teams would never meet and it would be Philly and LA again: or under a different commissioner people would care more about Duncan and Lebron?

I really don't get it.
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6/9/2007  1:36 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Again, your point in all this alludes me. Your theory is that if these two teams met under a different commissioner the ratings would be better; or that under a different commissioner these two teams would never meet and it would be Philly and LA again: or under a different commissioner people would care more about Duncan and Lebron?

I really don't get it.



Nope I'm just saying every since Jordan left the league has been crappy. It had a few sparks here and there but under Stern's watch devoid of the Greatest Players to play the game it's been uninspiring. The NBA is expanding but no one's watching. Last few yrs it was actual attendance at the games. Attendance picked back up a little this yr but you still have arenas struggling to put fans in seats at $10.00 a pop. I just don't understand why people try to give him credit or defend him, any other Commish could have accomplished what he has.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2007 12:37 AM]
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6/9/2007  2:15 AM
ever since Jordan left the league has been crappy.
so true
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6/9/2007  10:51 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
ever since Jordan left the league has been crappy.
so true

It can be argued that Jordan also ruined the league. It can be argued that his one man show took the team element out of the equation (for the next generation). Most kids now are more concerend about making highlight reels and how much points did they score.
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6/9/2007  11:30 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Again, your point in all this alludes me. Your theory is that if these two teams met under a different commissioner the ratings would be better; or that under a different commissioner these two teams would never meet and it would be Philly and LA again: or under a different commissioner people would care more about Duncan and Lebron?

I really don't get it.



Nope I'm just saying every since Jordan left the league has been crappy. It had a few sparks here and there but under Stern's watch devoid of the Greatest Players to play the game it's been uninspiring. The NBA is expanding but no one's watching. Last few yrs it was actual attendance at the games. Attendance picked back up a little this yr but you still have arenas struggling to put fans in seats at $10.00 a pop. I just don't understand why people try to give him credit or defend him, any other Commish could have accomplished what he has.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2007 12:37 AM]

Is this the fault of the fans or the commish? It reminds me a bit of my wife's boss. Every time she requests a raise or bonus he gripes that business is down. yeah, down from the heyday of the late 90's, but THAT was an anomaly, it ain't ever coming back to that. That can't be the standard of comparison.

So you tell us that the league sucks since Jordan retired, but then fault him for promoting new stars, or, and I don't know it this includes you, but many complain about all the rule changes to increase offense, etc -- all done to placate a public who wants to see more "exciting" ball along with the near perfection (athleticism, shooting, defense, passing, leadership, clutch, etc) that Jordan represented. The commish can try to liven up the games or market some new faces but he can't give them Jordan, and fans can't keep waiting, like my wife's boss, for things to return to the heyday of the 90's. "Larry Bird isn't walking through the door."
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6/9/2007  11:35 AM
to me it's because ABC sucks. I mean, I'm not interested in either team to begin with, but normally I'd still watch anyway. however I really have a hard time watching abc's broadcasts. the picture quality is nice but the sound just isn't good, for example I don't like that they mute the crowd when they roar after a big play, I like it when TNT lets the crowd overtake the play by play people because it gives more ambience to the game (for me anyway). the staff all around is horrible from the play by play to the half time report people. it's just bleh.

and they alwyas have that camera shot of eva longoria... can we stop with that already
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6/9/2007  11:48 AM
I think it has to do with the reduced level of passion and the lack of rivalries. Remember the Knicks and Miami in the late 90's? What about the Celtics and the Lakers in the 80's?

I can only hope that The Cavaliers find a way to win a couple of games and manage to irritate the Spurs so that we can see a real war out there. Otherwise, the series will only serve as an effective soporific for those who bother to watch the games.
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6/9/2007  11:50 AM
Posted by highfivesucka:

to me it's because ABC sucks. I mean, I'm not interested in either team to begin with, but normally I'd still watch anyway. however I really have a hard time watching abc's broadcasts. the picture quality is nice but the sound just isn't good, for example I don't like that they mute the crowd when they roar after a big play, I like it when TNT lets the crowd overtake the play by play people because it gives more ambience to the game (for me anyway). the staff all around is horrible from the play by play to the half time report people. it's just bleh.

and they alwyas have that camera shot of eva longoria... can we stop with that already

I agree that ABC sucks (I can't believe they think Breen, Van Gundy and Jackson make an interesting announcing team) but I don't think ABC is the reason the games are not compelling.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 06-09-2007 11:50]
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6/9/2007  12:01 PM
He has to find a way to start promoting the actual Game/Teams/Winning more. I'm not saying he shouldn't market stars because obviously it's proven throughout marketing history personalities sell but to get back the lost audience, they care more about the former. The league needs to show more nationally televised games of rivalry teams. Like the NFL shows the Bears vs Packers, Cowboys vs Redskins, Giants vs Eagles, Raiders vs Chiefs on a big stage no matter how bad those teams suck. The NBA should show any combination of these rivalries at least 1gm a season Lakers vs Celtics, Knicks vs Bulls, Celtics vs Philly, Pistons vs Celtics, Knicks vs Pacers, Knicks vs Heat etc etc instead of putting the Orlando Magic on 5-9 times next season on the schedule for NATV games because they made the playoffs as an 8th seed.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2007 11:06 AM]
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6/9/2007  1:42 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

He has to find a way to start promoting the actual Game/Teams/Winning more. I'm not saying he shouldn't market stars because obviously it's proven throughout marketing history personalities sell but to get back the lost audience, they care more about the former. The league needs to show more nationally televised games of rivalry teams. Like the NFL shows the Bears vs Packers, Cowboys vs Redskins, Giants vs Eagles, Raiders vs Chiefs on a big stage no matter how bad those teams suck. The NBA should show any combination of these rivalries at least 1gm a season Lakers vs Celtics, Knicks vs Bulls, Celtics vs Philly, Pistons vs Celtics, Knicks vs Pacers, Knicks vs Heat etc etc instead of putting the Orlando Magic on 5-9 times next season on the schedule for NATV games because they made the playoffs as an 8th seed.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2007 11:06 AM]

The problem is there are no current rivalries. They try to manufacture some, like perhaps Suns vs Mavs, but it's really about the Nash connection. Nobody cares any more about Knicks vs Boston or LA, it's about what you've done for me lately. There was no bigger fan then I during the Knicks bulls rivalry and even for me that has no meaning now. Nowadays any interest I hold in the Bulls is based on their model or rebuild and the trades since Isiah took over.

It's a bit of a paradox because I can understand the desire for parity, I think it's a good idea, but the cost of it is that anyone can win in any given year, and thus long standing powerhouses/rivalries are few and far between. SA is the closest we have to a dynasty and people care bored to tears by them. People liked the LA dynasty because Kobe and Shaq were colorful, and though few will admit it, they loved the high drama of their conflict. Stability and precision seems to count for far less.

Part of the problem in this series is also that so many consider the outcome a foregone conclusion because of SA's dominance. If Cleveland can win some games interest will rise as the series progresses.

It's hard to market teams these days. They try with the Knicks - they call them a "storied franchise" and the garden the Mecca of basketball - but nobody cares, they want to see cool players and good ball. Whoever can give them that is who they'll watch; those who don't are relegated to text book studies.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:

He has to find a way to start promoting the actual Game/Teams/Winning more. I'm not saying he shouldn't market stars because obviously it's proven throughout marketing history personalities sell but to get back the lost audience, they care more about the former. The league needs to show more nationally televised games of rivalry teams. Like the NFL shows the Bears vs Packers, Cowboys vs Redskins, Giants vs Eagles, Raiders vs Chiefs on a big stage no matter how bad those teams suck. The NBA should show any combination of these rivalries at least 1gm a season Lakers vs Celtics, Knicks vs Bulls, Celtics vs Philly, Pistons vs Celtics, Knicks vs Pacers, Knicks vs Heat etc etc instead of putting the Orlando Magic on 5-9 times next season on the schedule for NATV games because they made the playoffs as an 8th seed.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2007 11:06 AM]

The problem is there are no current rivalries. They try to manufacture some, like perhaps Suns vs Mavs, but it's really about the Nash connection. Nobody cares any more about Knicks vs Boston or LA, it's about what you've done for me lately. There was no bigger fan then I during the Knicks bulls rivalry and even for me that has no meaning now. Nowadays any interest I hold in the Bulls is based on their model or rebuild and the trades since Isiah took over.

It's a bit of a paradox because I can understand the desire for parity, I think it's a good idea, but the cost of it is that anyone can win in any given year, and thus long standing powerhouses/rivalries are few and far between. SA is the closest we have to a dynasty and people care bored to tears by them. People liked the LA dynasty because Kobe and Shaq were colorful, and though few will admit it, they loved the high drama of their conflict. Stability and precision seems to count for far less.

Part of the problem in this series is also that so many consider the outcome a foregone conclusion because of SA's dominance. If Cleveland can win some games interest will rise as the series progresses.

It's hard to market teams these days. They try with the Knicks - they call them a "storied franchise" and the garden the Mecca of basketball - but nobody cares, they want to see cool players and good ball. Whoever can give them that is who they'll watch; those who don't are relegated to text book studies.


There are no rivalries in the sense that some teams have fell off as major competition but the rivalry history is always there. That's why I mentioned the NFL teams as an example. The Bears and Packers are on T.V. no matter how irrelevant their teams are in terms of competition and the same goes for the other examples I listed. Stern has to air some of those games nationally no matter how bad those teams are, even if it's a total of 3gms during the season. Lakers vs Celtics will always matter to those two markets which are huge. I bet that just as many if not more NBA fans would tune into watching Lakers vs Celtics as they would Magic vs Raptors showed on TNT. Now I like the fact personally I'm seeing more of the league as a whole due to the NBA League Pass package but there shouldn't be as much disparity considering the current topic at hand.
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6/9/2007  2:49 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:

He has to find a way to start promoting the actual Game/Teams/Winning more. I'm not saying he shouldn't market stars because obviously it's proven throughout marketing history personalities sell but to get back the lost audience, they care more about the former. The league needs to show more nationally televised games of rivalry teams. Like the NFL shows the Bears vs Packers, Cowboys vs Redskins, Giants vs Eagles, Raiders vs Chiefs on a big stage no matter how bad those teams suck. The NBA should show any combination of these rivalries at least 1gm a season Lakers vs Celtics, Knicks vs Bulls, Celtics vs Philly, Pistons vs Celtics, Knicks vs Pacers, Knicks vs Heat etc etc instead of putting the Orlando Magic on 5-9 times next season on the schedule for NATV games because they made the playoffs as an 8th seed.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2007 11:06 AM]

The problem is there are no current rivalries. They try to manufacture some, like perhaps Suns vs Mavs, but it's really about the Nash connection. Nobody cares any more about Knicks vs Boston or LA, it's about what you've done for me lately. There was no bigger fan then I during the Knicks bulls rivalry and even for me that has no meaning now. Nowadays any interest I hold in the Bulls is based on their model or rebuild and the trades since Isiah took over.

It's a bit of a paradox because I can understand the desire for parity, I think it's a good idea, but the cost of it is that anyone can win in any given year, and thus long standing powerhouses/rivalries are few and far between. SA is the closest we have to a dynasty and people care bored to tears by them. People liked the LA dynasty because Kobe and Shaq were colorful, and though few will admit it, they loved the high drama of their conflict. Stability and precision seems to count for far less.

Part of the problem in this series is also that so many consider the outcome a foregone conclusion because of SA's dominance. If Cleveland can win some games interest will rise as the series progresses.

It's hard to market teams these days. They try with the Knicks - they call them a "storied franchise" and the garden the Mecca of basketball - but nobody cares, they want to see cool players and good ball. Whoever can give them that is who they'll watch; those who don't are relegated to text book studies.


There are no rivalries in the sense that some teams have fell off as major competition but the rivalry history is always there. That's why I mentioned the NFL teams as an example. The Bears and Packers are on T.V. no matter how irrelevant their teams are in terms of competition and the same goes for the other examples I listed. Stern has to air some of those games nationally no matter how bad those teams are, even if it's a total of 3gms during the season. Lakers vs Celtics will always matter to those two markets which are huge. I bet that just as many if not more NBA fans would tune into watching Lakers vs Celtics as they would Magic vs Raptors showed on TNT. Now I like the fact personally I'm seeing more of the league as a whole due to the NBA League Pass package but there shouldn't be as much disparity considering the current topic at hand.


This is about viewership. If old forgotten rivalries led to increased viewing they'd air them. As an example, do you think more Knick fans tune in to watch Knicks vs Boston, or say Knicks vs Denver, who we have no rivalry with but they have a better team with more interesting players? I'd guess the latter. I'm older than most here and still Knicks vs Boston has no special interest for me.

And the league does make the teams play each other, but I think it's the networks who decide which games to air, and they air the ones they think hold the greatest interest. Passe rivalries don't seem to rank high on viewer interest.
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Huh? Game 1 was already played???
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