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MS
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6/8/2007  10:00 AM
To play meaningful basketball, it's quite obvious and I really like Browns style. Granted his offensive knowledge and sets are limited but really why are the cavs that much better defensively than the knicks.

Larry Hughes: He has always been good on defense, but really Crawford has all the tools to be a great defender, he is long, lanky, quick going to the basket and with his hands: He doesn't care to play defense

Z: He is slow footed, can't move quickly but he manages to do a decent job on defense, while Curry perhaps one of the leagues most athletic bigmen that can run, and jump with the best of them never tries on defense: It's quite obvious he doesn't care in the least. He doesn't even care enough about his coach to be in shape

Gibson, Marshall, Pavolic: Collins and Balkman do care and they play every position hard, but rarely get off the bench because Isiah isn't a coach he is fraud, let plays guys based on mistakes.......

DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE AWARD: Nate Robinson, exactly whats wrong with the NBA, this kid could be so good defensively its scary, he is one of the stronger player at his position, is lighting quick, but chooses like many of his teammates to just play offense for himself.

So that is very general, but you look at the knicks and we could very well be a top defensive team next year if we give the minutes to collins and balkman, get a healthy q back, and keep lee on power fowards opposed to sf which isiah was doing for some reason, frye can hold his own against centers so that is where he should get his minutes.


So what is the biggest problem with the Knicks: ISIAH THOMAS

1. Lack of accountability within the organization, trickles down to the players, they don't handle themselves professionally, and ISIAH never takes someone out based upon effort on defense. Steve Francis was a prime example, you sit these guys down and if they don't care to play defense they don't play its that simple.

2. Rasheed Wallace or Ron Artest would solve many problems, yes they are crazy, but they play defense and have a problem with other people that don't, since isiah won't deal with it i don't care if these crazy bastards do. Crawford and Frye for Artest or Jefferies, Crawford and Nate for sheed, we need to get rid of lazy defenders and bring in men that play ball, and don't promote themselves with flash
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misterearl
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6/8/2007  10:27 AM
1. Lack of accountability within the organization -

MS, what do you think of Phil Ford and Jeff Nix moving on to other jobs?

Which assistant would you like to see coach the Knicks Summer League Team?

2. Rasheed or Ron Artest?

Hold up. Are you REALLY advocating the immature tantrums of these two as being examples for the NYK franchise to hold as models of decorum in the same breath you cite a lack of professional behavior?

I have no problem with them as basketball players, but how do you so easily segregate their on-floor talents from the negative sideshows they create? Rasheed QUIT on his team in the Conference Finals. There is no other way to slice it.

You really advocating that type of attitude?

Now, add the feeding frenzy of the NY media to either ones personality and what do you have?

But back to your core theme... yeah. our players don't care enough. They are vacationing as we speak.

You have any inside news from Chicago where Curry, Jamal and Q are working out?
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MS
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6/8/2007  11:22 AM
Crawford: The Rucker is where you work on stuff to try for the upcoming season

Curry: Doesn't ever play defense and has come in once in 7 years in shape

Francis, Nate, James

Thats five guys and Marbury got himself off this list last year.

Rasheed wasn't getting outplayed by his man, and it was quite obvious that calls were going the way of clevland. We are looking to clear players off this roster that don't play defense and if you can do that and provide cap flexibility you do that. If you weren't in love with this garbage basketball we have been playing, where we are under prepared.

AS usual you have no idea what your saying, firing two assistant coaches that don't really have a lot to do with whats taken place over the years is real accoutable. Isiah is still here, as is steve mills, as players with bad attitudes who don't bring it, they are still getting minutes......

Mark Acguire is fine coaching the summer league team, nate might be the most immature player in the league and he actually hurts the team on the court....You but wallace next to curry he blocks shots, provides defense, and actually streches the floor. I would much rather watch him out there meltdowns and all then watch jefferies and nate serving little purpose......

When Eddy Curry loses 20 pounds and his fat isn't seaping out of his jersey you can say he cares, but until then nothing to date has proven he does
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6/8/2007  11:34 AM
"AS usual you have no idea what you are saying... blah, blah..."

MS - I have no idea what I am saying? As usual?

Nice way to conduct a conversation.

[Edited by - misterearl on 06-08-2007 11:34 AM]
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6/8/2007  11:48 AM
Posted by misterearl:

"AS usual you have no idea what you are saying... blah, blah..."

MS - I have no idea what I am saying? As usual?

Nice way to conduct a conversation.

[Edited by - misterearl on 06-08-2007 11:34 AM]

MS...I do think we can do without these types of comments.

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6/8/2007  12:00 PM
Many of the team care about scoring when the ball is in their hands. Otherwise, they don't care.
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6/8/2007  12:17 PM
I'm not sure if they "can" care. Personality types don't really change. If a guy is lazy for 7 years, there is nothing you can do about it. Especially now that he has guaranteed money.

Nate is a special case, he is obviously mentally incapacitated in some way. Lets give him credit for getting this far with his mental situation. To ask him to also focus on defense is entirely too much.

Francis is hobbled, a washed up has been. I don't think he can physically play defense anymore.

Another thing about Curry is his heart condition, it may very well be possible that he cannot exert more effort than he is already exerting, especially cardiovascular activity vise (and that is how you loose weight, not lifting for the most part) without straining his heart too much.

We have a team full of mental and physical ailments, we just have to accept this rickety bunch for what they are. A sideshow for the rest of MSG productions, something to fill the building with on weekday nights and weekend mornings.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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6/8/2007  1:06 PM
MS, you're hanging on a cliff. Your hands are slipping. You're about to fall to your death. Jamal Crawford reaches out his hand in order to save you. Do you take it or do you let go to give him the finger?

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 06-08-2007 1:09 PM]
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6/8/2007  1:19 PM
Off the court he is a good guy, who is well spoken with a good head on his shoulders, i just don't like his game on the court and its a result of coaches just letting him do his thing. He would be a good player if he had a coach that really worked with him
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6/8/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

MS, you're hanging on a cliff. Your hands are slipping. You're about to fall to your death. Jamal Crawford reaches out his hand in order to save you. Do you take it or do you let go to give him the finger?

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 06-08-2007 1:09 PM]
Tough choice! How high a cliff is it?
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6/8/2007  4:08 PM
This team stuck in mediocity and Tomas is not good to push this team out of it.
He is OK to collect talents and he did this in Indiana too.
But after he touched the team - team needs a dictator GM and coach to make tuff decisions and be hard with players. Talent needs pressure and work to produce results.
We need guy like Pop, Pat, or Sloan to make this boys man before it's too late.
They will comtinue play around to the rest of their NY contracts unless somebody will beat the sh..t out of their a..ses

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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6/8/2007  4:23 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by misterearl:

"AS usual you have no idea what you are saying... blah, blah..."

MS - I have no idea what I am saying? As usual?

Nice way to conduct a conversation.

[Edited by - misterearl on 06-08-2007 11:34 AM]

MS...I do think we can do without these types of comments.

Peace and Respect, Andrew.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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6/8/2007  4:26 PM
The Interplanetary Content Translator For The Comprehension Impaired

(but what do I know?)

arkrud - This team stuck in mediocity and Tomas is not good to push this team out of it.

translation - I have no patience to watch the young players that Tomas has acquired to develop

arkrud - He is OK to collect talents and he did this in Indiana too. But after he touched the team - team needs a dictator GM and coach to make tuff decisions and be hard with players.

translation - Tomas does not deserve the job as GM because he is too soft, but then again, I heard that so many people despise him so he must be pissing somebody off, I just can't figure out who that is really... other than the fans.

arkrud - Talent needs pressure and work to produce results.

translation - the young guys don't like to play for Tomas. Even though he is the one who selected them.

arkrud - We need guy like Pop, Pat, or Sloan to make this boys man before it's too late.

translation - we need three coaches who are currently under contract, or not available to make the Knicks relevant. I just can't name a guy other than the usual suspects.

arkrud - They will comtinue play around to the rest of their NY contracts unless somebody will beat the sh..t out of their a..ses

translation - I like basketball players to berated and made to feel insignificant. Delusional. They don't deserve to be treated with respect or patience. Beat their asses until they puke. Insult them in the press. Just like Larry Brown.

Yeah, that's the ticket.


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6/8/2007  4:38 PM
Then Again, On The Flip Saunders Side

(The Following Is Indisputable Evidence of better things to come)

Mardy Collins showed some positive signs of basketball comprehension when he recieved additional minutes towards the end of the season

David Lee was having a productive season, before the injury

Renaldo Balkman made people stop kvetching over Marcus Williams and actually turned into a Garden favorite for his intensity and defensive ability

Eddy Curry posted career highs in scoring and rebounding, and he's only 23

Channing Frye had a sophomore slump. Hey, he ain't the first one that's ever happened to. The question is does he have the determination to become a better junior? ( I say yes)

Stephon Marbury made adjustments to his game and played through pain.

6'11 Randolph Morris received a crash course in NBA basketball, without the benefit of any orientation other than the pre-game layup line.

The home fans who booed in November, were cheering in February.

hey, but that's just me.











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6/8/2007  6:13 PM
Posted by misterearl:
hey, but that's just me.

On this board, Earl, it really is.

And me, of course.

Its like a groupie website, or bitter ex-wives club. -Sebstar
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6/8/2007  11:01 PM
Posted by misterearl:

The Interplanetary Content Translator For The Comprehension Impaired

(but what do I know?)

arkrud - This team stuck in mediocity and Tomas is not good to push this team out of it.

translation - I have no patience to watch the young players that Tomas has acquired to develop

arkrud - He is OK to collect talents and he did this in Indiana too. But after he touched the team - team needs a dictator GM and coach to make tuff decisions and be hard with players.

translation - Tomas does not deserve the job as GM because he is too soft, but then again, I heard that so many people despise him so he must be pissing somebody off, I just can't figure out who that is really... other than the fans.

arkrud - Talent needs pressure and work to produce results.

translation - the young guys don't like to play for Tomas. Even though he is the one who selected them.

arkrud - We need guy like Pop, Pat, or Sloan to make this boys man before it's too late.

translation - we need three coaches who are currently under contract, or not available to make the Knicks relevant. I just can't name a guy other than the usual suspects.

arkrud - They will comtinue play around to the rest of their NY contracts unless somebody will beat the sh..t out of their a..ses

translation - I like basketball players to berated and made to feel insignificant. Delusional. They don't deserve to be treated with respect or patience. Beat their asses until they puke. Insult them in the press. Just like Larry Brown.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Thanks man - the translation is correct.
You get it all right.
I know you have different opinon about the matter. And it is not because you like IT but because you dream to see Knicks success. Me too.
The only difference I don't believe in miracles but rather in professionalism, effort, and dedication.
And I cannot see this things anywhere around the Knicks.
The next season will show who is closer to the truth. And I hope you will be close and Knicks will have wondefull future with IT, Eddy, Stephan, Jeffries, Big Snuck, Steve, Q, and malik...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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