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BRIGGS
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6/6/2007  12:38 PM
That is the feeling I get. All of the talk * if this guy didnt get hurt* we would've won this many games--improve from within etc... I think they think they are already a good team that will only get much better. They probably will get better? I mean we've been pretty bad.


BUT---these are the scary points

A--I still believe they think Jefferies and Frye are major components of this team and will be much improved
B. Stephon Marbury who has been a major component of the team cannot keep up the same level of play without injuries finally getting him.
c. The disasterous lack of outside shooting which caused our collapse. We are banking??? on a healthy Q Rich and JC? without quality back up--without that back up--we have seen the results---so if they dont address the issue they cannot use injury as excuse
D. Interior Defense--will it be addressed?

The roster has to many forwards and not enough guards--especially gurads who can shoot it. There is fat on the roster and Im not talking about EC arse.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-06-2007 1:45 PM]
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6/6/2007  12:40 PM
And why shouldn't the Knicks be content with what they have? According to nixluva, they are a playoff team.
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6/6/2007  12:47 PM
If they are, they shouldn't be.
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6/6/2007  12:49 PM
We're getting a shooter somehow someway.
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6/6/2007  12:51 PM
No, I do not get that feeling at all.
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6/6/2007  1:06 PM
I don't think they are content. I think Dolan has sent a directive out to Isiah not to spend any more of his money.
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6/6/2007  1:07 PM
It's exactly how Layden sounded too after a few years. GMs under Dolan have to say things are looking great. Otherwise, people would demand to know why the GM wasted the past several years.
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6/6/2007  1:07 PM
I get the feeling that Isiah wants it to appear as if it is not necessary for him to make a move. (Perhaps it adds slightly to his negotiating leverage that way.) Fact is Isiah won't know what the Knicks lineup will be for the upcoming season until he sees how much progress Mardy, David and Renaldo have made with their outside shooting. If Renaldo and Mardy can develop dependable jump shots, one can play 1, moving Stephan to 2, and the other can play 3. But the fact is, as you point out, some players need to be moved in and out to balance the lineup better.
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6/6/2007  1:47 PM
Posted by rvwink:

I get the feeling that Isiah wants it to appear as if it is not necessary for him to make a move. (Perhaps it adds slightly to his negotiating leverage that way.) Fact is Isiah won't know what the Knicks lineup will be for the upcoming season until he sees how much progress Mardy, David and Renaldo have made with their outside shooting. If Renaldo and Mardy can develop dependable jump shots, one can play 1, moving Stephan to 2, and the other can play 3. But the fact is, as you point out, some players need to be moved in and out to balance the lineup better.


A defined roster core with more balance and less fat. The fat is Ok if it's players in development or high quality back-up depth. But too many guys in their prime at the same positions--some who haven't proven they should get chunks of PT.
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6/6/2007  2:03 PM
isiah has basically made it known his ultimate goal is to have the resources available come the 2009 free agency... how realistic that is is another issue altogether
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6/6/2007  2:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by rvwink:

I get the feeling that Isiah wants it to appear as if it is not necessary for him to make a move. (Perhaps it adds slightly to his negotiating leverage that way.) Fact is Isiah won't know what the Knicks lineup will be for the upcoming season until he sees how much progress Mardy, David and Renaldo have made with their outside shooting. If Renaldo and Mardy can develop dependable jump shots, one can play 1, moving Stephan to 2, and the other can play 3. But the fact is, as you point out, some players need to be moved in and out to balance the lineup better.


A defined roster core with more balance and less fat. The fat is Ok if it's players in development or high quality back-up depth. But too many guys in their prime at the same positions--some who haven't proven they should get chunks of PT.
Really none of our key veterans have shown that they can contribute to winning basketball teams' seasons and thus deserve playing time. I guess Q contributed to a good Suns' team in one of his seven NBA seasons and Malik played on great teams but is not really a key part of our team. All the other guys have either had first round exits (Marbury, Francis, Jeffries I think) or never even made the playoffs (Curry, Crawford).
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6/6/2007  2:10 PM
This team if full of "Ifs" and has very little "sure" things
And to be at least a good team almoust 100% of the "ifs" must come on happy site
Usually only 50% does
I prefer to have a team assembled from "sure" things and "junk" that from all "ifs"
The GM's and coaches who want to cover their incompetence will prefer opposite
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6/6/2007  2:14 PM
i think the knicks just need a little shape up... not a complete overhaul..... a small trade to get a shotblocking role player or a sharpshooting role player or even if we can get one thru the draft who is ready now would make us a playoff team. Trim the fat, fill out the edges thats all
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6/6/2007  2:19 PM
Yes. Isiah sold Dolan that this is a future team that will make him lots of $$. Since that's all Dolan cares about, yes, he's sold.

If there's any truth to us attempting to get under the cap (I still don't think we can get far enough without dumping Jeffries or James), any salary-increasing moves are unlikely for the next few years.
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6/6/2007  2:35 PM
the way I look at this team- its like a cat playing with a ball of yarn- now its a complete mess, the cats immobile and all the more it moves, the more trapped it becomes.

Isiah has made moves that 'sounded' or 'seemed' good at the time- Jerome James when we didn't have a center, Jared Jeffries before we knew Balkman was better.

I think Isiah & Dolan have realized they can't trade their way or buy their way out- and they have to try to play their cards and grow the team in a different fashion.

Isiah has completely overhauled the roster several times- and every move was one more piece, one more piece- now, its a matter of trying to grow the team.

Now they're talking about cap room!

Clearly, they must realize that Eddy is not a "Franchise" talent, and Marbury is on the wrong side of his career.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be talking about cap room.
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6/6/2007  4:33 PM
Posted by rvwink:

I get the feeling that Isiah wants it to appear as if it is not necessary for him to make a move. (Perhaps it adds slightly to his negotiating leverage that way.)

I agree with this. I think Isaiah is willing to make another move or two if he thinks it helps the team, but wants to negotiate better deals than he has in the past.
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6/6/2007  4:44 PM
How could they not be content?
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6/6/2007  7:31 PM
Posted by highfivesucka:

isiah has basically made it known his ultimate goal is to have the resources available come the 2009 free agency... how realistic that is is another issue altogether


He tells us this so that if no moves are made we think he has a plan rather than that he blew his assets. At the same time, if anyone good becomes available he tells us "these are the kind of players we hope to get through free agency anyway. Why deplete the roster getting under the cap for the chance to get that caliber of player when we had the real opportunity to get them now while we still have good players for them to play with?"

Why do I think this? Because it's pretty much how he justified the Marbury and Curry trades, and then all the other bad signings to "support" those players.
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6/6/2007  8:13 PM
Good points Briggs,

but I think, overall, everyone should be happy with the progress of the team. True, we are thin in some areas but on a whole, the Knicks are not that far from being one of the better teams in the EC. We are already one of the more talented team in the EC already.

But to answer the question: No, I don't think the feeling is one of contentment, especially not with someone like Isiah Thomas. The Randolph Morris signing should serve as notice that he is always trying to improve the team -- even if he goes about it in unorthodox ways, at times.

By the Knicks having no choice but to draft a player, since that is how the NBA is set up, I see Isiah steadily bringing in players who will add to the talent level.

Now, as far as defense goes...well, maybe we slow the ball down a bit and limit the number of touches the opponents get? C=I don't see who NY could draft at #23 that would improve the team defensively?

Do you?
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6/6/2007  10:59 PM
If we draft a Sean Williams I think that would improve the team. If we draft a SG/SF that has a strong defensive game and decent size that would also help our defense. I think we're already going to improve on D, because we've been adding defensive players and they'll be a year better and we can build on the base we established last year. This team will likely come out stronger than we did last year and that alone will mean an improvement over last year.

As for the feeling of being content. I don't think it's total contentment as you'd have if you have a Star player like Kobe or KG. However, we know that we have a better future in front of us with more youth and cap space in a couple of years. This has to be viewed as a good thing for the franchise. Which of us wouldn't be happy with this team being young and under the cap?

Yeah I believe we have a playoff team. Why not? At the moment no big trades have happened yet to really change the landscape of the east. Until something big happens to change the conf. make up we've got a great shot to be one of next years playoff teams.
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