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BRIGGS
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6/3/2007  4:02 PM
Malik Rose
Mardy Collins
David Lee
Jamal Crawford
Pick 23

i say no.
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6/3/2007  4:15 PM
Too much. Take out pick 23 and Collins and you have a deal though
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6/3/2007  4:22 PM
no way. I'm a big David Lee fan- he makes stuff happen. No Thanks for an too-many miles- too-often broken down former-all star, Jermaine Oneal.
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6/3/2007  4:23 PM
Try replacing Lee with Frye. They probably won't go for it, but teams do want a center.
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6/3/2007  4:31 PM
I say hell no.
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6/3/2007  6:33 PM
i say no too. maybe if you take out mardy i think twice but still don't. take out lee and put in frye and i probably will.
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6/3/2007  6:39 PM
In the responses to your two threads today, I think we're seeing the biggest problem the Knicks have: Of their fifteen players, David Lee is the only one with high trade value and is the one we all want to keep.
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6/3/2007  6:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Malik Rose
Mardy Collins
David Lee
Jamal Crawford
Pick 23

i say no.

I say 'hell' no!

Collins and Lee should be untouchable at this point. I'd be willing to let Craw go and throw in the #23, especially if O'Neal wants out.
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6/3/2007  10:16 PM
Frye, James, Jeffries, Francis & #23 for Jamaine and J. Foster........I'll stop hallucinating later!!
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6/3/2007  10:20 PM
I don't think the pacers would want Collins, and I'd rather keep him.

Lee should be traded. Balkman is a more complete player and they take eachother's minutes.
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6/4/2007  4:36 AM
no way, JO and his long term contract and injuries can stay in Indiana, where he doesn't want to be.

no way the price will be that high on this guy.
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6/4/2007  7:42 AM
JO makes a lot more "happen" than Lee. Love Lee but yea.. I make that trade
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6/4/2007  9:50 AM
Posted by fishmike:

JO makes a lot more "happen" than Lee. Love Lee but yea.. I make that trade

I guess JO can help us a lot from the bench in street clothes. Too many injuries, too many miles.

He is heading down hill. No thanks.
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6/4/2007  9:56 AM
No
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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6/4/2007  9:59 AM
Hell no! Take out Lee and Mardy and replace with Frye and we have a deal. I would want a 2nd rounder from them though.
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6/4/2007  11:24 AM
I actually partly agree with Fish. If you want to make a run at having some playoff success with our current veteran team, especially Marbury, then you couldn't turn down this deal. If you want to do real rebuilding and have a team that has the potential to compete for a championship, you have to tear everything apart and start over. Balkman, Lee, and Mardy would be the only players out of our fifteen worth retaining in this scenario. If Q's back is health, you could add him to that group. Curry's trade value is the highest it's ever been and likely ever will be because his stats were inflated by heavy minutes. Now is the time to trade him and try to get a solid versatile two-way player.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-06-2007 11:26 AM]
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6/4/2007  12:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:

JO makes a lot more "happen" than Lee. Love Lee but yea.. I make that trade

Fish, what's up?
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6/4/2007  12:43 PM
The only definite core player we have right now is Curry... any and all others have a lot of duplication, so we can afford to trade away some of them.

Our best tradable commodities:
Collins is an intriguing young player, based on how he did over the final month or so of the season. he carries a lot of trade value, perhaps even more than Lee. No one knows if he's our best young PG prospect, or a journeyman... and teams will want to find that out. Having him on the floor gives you a lot of options (pair him w/ a small SG, use him as part of a big lineup, send him out as a change of pace guard, defensive specialist, etc).

Lee looks like a double-double waiting to happen, he seems very marketable and fan-friendly. Most people don't think he has a much higher ceiling, though certainly he can become a better defender and shooter. Maybe his upside is similar to that of Troy Murphy. But like Murphy, maybe as age/injuries sap him of his athleticism, he'll evolve into more of a journeyman.

Balkman seems to be a game-changing talent, but he's difficult to categorize because you rarely see a guy with a combination of his skills. He really does seem like a young Rodman. Excellent finisher, ball handler, passer... very smooth player who can play 3 positions. Upside might be like Josh Howard, maybe this is all he'll ever be (a change of pace bench rotation guy).

Channing Frye obviously had a brilliant rookie season, but things never came together in year too. Maybe putting on the extra weight/muscle didn't pay off dividends, much in the same way the bulked up Okafor was ineffective (and injured a lot) in his 2nd season. People still remember the rookie year though, and think they can get Rasheed Wallace-like offensive output from him. Worst case, he can he a solid jump shooting journeyman bigman.

Nate Robinson might have all of the scoring ability of an Allen Iverson. Tough to say. He's certainly unstoppable when he wants to score - he's without parallel in terms of strength and quickness. Like many short players, you can neutralize his ability to pass by putting a tall/long armed/quick defender on him. Perhaps his best use is as a SG or 6th man scorer along the lines of Ben Gordon. I don't think his wingspan is long enough to make him an effective PG... and he may not have the right mentality for it - however, alongside a BIG PG (Crawford/Mardy, perhaps), you can get the most of his strengths and limit his weaknesses. He's got high-fan-favorite potential. His undersized nature will continue to be a hit w/ the "common man". He'll probably sell tickets on that basis alone.

Randolph Morris didn't show too much in his time as a Knick... but he certainly seems to have the potential of a typical, solid Kentucky PG (see Mohammed/Magliore), probably capable of averaging a double-double in the NBA. It doesn't seem as if he has superstar-type upside. But... I bet the Nets would love to have someone like him on their team. (however... in related news, anyone know why Nazr Mohammed got like no playing time at all in the playoffs?)
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