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OT: Detroits future: reload or rebuild?
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EnySpree
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6/3/2007  10:24 AM
First and formost they can't re-sign chancey. He is an older player now and on the downside of his career, just like big Ben. Its not about chanceys play in the playoffs, its all business.

Detroit should look to make a play for the same type of player that chancey was when he first got to detroit: a young talented PG that's rough around the edges. That player could already be on the team in flip murray.

They need to trade sheed. Sheed is still a good player but he is geting old and grumpy. His meltdowns during the playoffs prove he isn't having fun anymore. They have mcdyess there to fill the vet role. Its time to let maxiel take over at pf. Prince needs an expanded role in the offense.

Rip Hamilton is a bitch ass mofo. He is so arrogant. If he is so damn good then make him take over. I used to love the dude but I truly can't stand him now.

Delphino is ready to start. Knicks need to see if they can snatch him.

In all seriousness, Detroit needs to rebuild. If dumars is as good as people say then he would see that this group has given all they could give together. All the great teams know how to retool and stay fresh while still sitting on top of the food chain.
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6/3/2007  10:54 AM
Detroit has two first round picks this year. I think they are going to try and rebuild through the draft. They will resign Billups because he is the best PG available and he can still play, notwithstanding his poor showing in the playoffs this year. If I were Dumars, I would try to find two good players in the draft, get Flip to hire a defensive guru as an assistant coach, and ride this team out for two more years. In fact, the only move I might consider would be to get rid of Sheed, like EnySpree suggested. The Pistons might be able to get something good for him in a trade. I know teams like NJ, Miami, and Chicago could use him. I think McDyess can take over the starting role and Webber can back him up. Otherwise, I think Detroit has two more years in them. They lost to Cleveland, but they could have won the series if they had a better defensive game plan.
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6/3/2007  11:21 AM
Assuming McDyess exercises his option for next season, and assuming Denver wants to trade Camby in a salary dump, they could do McDyess + Hunter for Camby. Could throw in Maxiell or a pick to sweeten the spot. Detroit looks a lot better with a dominant rebounder and shot blocker holding down the paint. With Camby I'm thinking they could have beat the Cavs and would at least give the West's best a hard time.

I actually think they may not have fallen off as much as they appeared to. If McDyess doesn't get tossed in game 5 the Pistons probably win. And Prince had an uncharacteristically awful series which really hurt Detroit a lot. Though on the other hand it does seem like Chauncey has lost a step. Why don't they let Rip do his Reggie Miller thing running around off of double down screens and such anymore?

If they decide to blow it up, Detroit should set its sights on Bynum since LA is going into win-now mode.
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6/3/2007  11:39 AM
Rip Hamilton is a bitch ass mofo. He is so arrogant. If he is so damn good then make him take over. I used to love the dude but I truly can't stand him now.

You sound scorned. Rip hurt your feelings?

When you have had as much success as Detroit has these past few years, it's obvious that you are going to go through a little rebuilding period. That is common sense. No knock on Detroit, at all. You gave them a choice of reloading or rebuilding -- what do you think any team would choose if given a real chance at either?

The Billups is old argument is tired. Let it rest. Same thing was said about Nash, Terry Porter, Kidd, Ben Wallace, Shaq, Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Jordan, Pippen, and anyone else that a person feels deem to say it about. But the truth is, Billups is still one of the top point guards in the league.

The game is 90% mental. Smh.
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6/3/2007  12:42 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Rip Hamilton is a bitch ass mofo. He is so arrogant. If he is so damn good then make him take over. I used to love the dude but I truly can't stand him now.

You sound scorned. Rip hurt your feelings?

When you have had as much success as Detroit has these past few years, it's obvious that you are going to go through a little rebuilding period. That is common sense. No knock on Detroit, at all. You gave them a choice of reloading or rebuilding -- what do you think any team would choose if given a real chance at either?

The Billups is old argument is tired. Let it rest. Same thing was said about Nash, Terry Porter, Kidd, Ben Wallace, Shaq, Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Jordan, Pippen, and anyone else that a person feels deem to say it about. But the truth is, Billups is still one of the top point guards in the league.

The game is 90% mental. Smh.

with the influx of 16 year olds on many of these websites, the notion of turning 30 as being old and acient is a bit overplayed. Billups is in his prime and he is a winner and is as mentally tough as they get. I think he could upgrade a team like the clippers right away, hell put him in miami and they are intresting again.

Rip is a player, I like the guy, he does a lot of things well, nothing spectacular, he just executes... He is a winner, and a real baller... give it up..
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6/3/2007  12:43 PM
I can already see the Francis for Billups sign and trade proposal threads beginning soon!
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6/3/2007  12:58 PM
Chancey is still a top point guard but chancey is looking at a large payday that he rightfully has earned. At this stage in the game, Detroit can't afford to get all Scott layden on chancey.

Nobody said Ben Wallace was done. Ben is still a rebounding/defensive force. Detroit still managed to win games even before they signed webber.

Flip Murray is no chancey but he is very effective in running detroits offense and the dude can straight up score. His defense is solid as well. I believe flip can step right in with rip and hold his own. Its way cheaper and makes sense.

Maxiel looked great whenever he played and seemed to uplift the team. Dude gets up and down fast and has a presence inside.

They won't miss sheeds defense but could miss his jumpshot. Dyess can shoot it, webber can shoot it. Maxiel shows that ability.

This is a rebuild as far as a few faces but the replacements are already on the team. Detroit could do well by drafting or maybe packing the picks together to move up or to get a player on a rookie contract they want via trade.

They could still be over .500 and compete for the title. They have the technology.
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6/3/2007  1:11 PM
Sheed and chancey are still top notch players. The chance to sell high and not be stupid like the knicks is available.

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6/3/2007  1:18 PM
As long as Flip is the pistons head coach, don't look for that much of an improvement look at the (minnesota timberwolves)under flip. It's time to rebuild and Joe Dumars has won the fans of the motorcity over already.

He will do what he has to do .
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6/3/2007  1:53 PM
It's the kind of team that can still take it deep, not too old yet, with some good young players still, but not young enough to last as a team. It's one of those tough situations were if you try to fix a few pieces and they don't work, then you'll have to find out the hard way that you should have started to rebuild. But being so far in the playoffs and with one of the best records, it sholved them so deep in the draft, that they'll almost have to get bad to get better. So with that said, I think I'd try to find a few pieces to keep the nucleus in tact. Detroit, like a few other teams, consistently make good moves to stay respectful, if not playoffable. Sooner or later, they make it back.

Unlike our Knicks who keep crashing and burning every decade. Our biggest problem has 'ALWAYS' been mangagement!
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6/3/2007  4:13 PM
Realgms trade checker says the knicks can't trade malik due to some stupid jargon that doesn't make sense. Anybody know anything about that?

Well what would Detroit say to a Frye and malik for sheed trade? Its a salary dump with the possibility of Frye blossoming into woman in a Detroit uni.

Next year:
Maxiel/dyess
Frye/webber
Prince/ rookie?
Flip/ rookie?
Rip/ delfino

I think that's a cool team still.
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6/3/2007  5:02 PM
Pistons never replaced the youth in the front Court and back court the had.Okur&Mike James off the bench was probably worth 20-30 points a game.
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6/3/2007  5:14 PM
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6/3/2007  5:26 PM
dumars must be taken to task for taking darko at #2, when the future could've include wade, bosh, or melo.
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6/3/2007  6:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

dumars must be taken to task for taking darko at #2, when the future could've include wade, bosh, or melo.

that is a valid point and was made about two years ago, but of course we all heard, well melo or bosh or wade would have taken time from Prince, or that detroit is good, so they could afford to make such a mistake. I heard all the excuses, the point is, that moves like that will come back at somepoint to bite you...
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6/3/2007  6:28 PM
Next year:
Maxiel/dyess
Frye/webber
Prince/ rookie?
Flip/ rookie?
Rip/ delfino

I think that's a cool team still.

Not really! It's one hell of an older team, that's for sure.
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6/3/2007  6:30 PM
detroit will reload and keep on sniping.
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6/3/2007  6:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

dumars must be taken to task for taking darko at #2, when the future could've include wade, bosh, or melo.

Clearly it was a mistake in retrospect and I'm sure Dumars would admit it, but at the time is has to be remembered they weren't serious contenders yet. They got to the conference finals where they got swept by NJ. This was before they got Sheed, so the idea of a talented scoring bigman to pair with Wallace made sense. Remember, before Sheed re-signing Okur was their "highest priority," but after Sheed came re-signing Sheed was their highest priority. Even Bosh, like Darko, would have had a stunted development behind Sheed and Ben.

And with Rip and Prince on board a solid bigman was their highest priority.

It's easy to say it was all a huge mistake now, but it's also important to recognize that Sheed was the crucial piece, and that he Rip and Prince did result in a championship. There's no guarantee that Wade, Carmelo or Bosh would have done the same for them - by which I mean to say they could have made the "right choice" in that draft, but without Sheed they still might not have won the 'ship, and might have done no better this year than they did. So, even with the huge mistake I don't know that they sit any worse than Miami, Denver or Toronto today.

This suggests that a sound GM can sustain some mistakes and still look pretty good, while the bad ones will forever have to regret the ones that got away.
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6/3/2007  7:14 PM
I still wish I would have promoted Sheed when we had a chance to get him. What a mistake that was.
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6/3/2007  10:15 PM
They passed up 3 All-star to even Hall of Fame type talents (if they can avoid injuries and sustain their level of play for another half dozen seasons) for a guy that's really just gonna be a secondary player in the NBA. And now they're looking old....

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