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Bonn1997
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6/1/2007  7:45 AM
instead of Curry, how many wins would the team have had last season. I'm going with 36.
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6/1/2007  8:08 AM
Option 3: I want and love the attention on my threads
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6/1/2007  8:24 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Option 3: I want and love the attention on my threads

Don't forget and need the attention

[Edited by - pharzeone on 01-06-2007 08:25 AM]
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6/1/2007  9:15 AM
posted this a while back we would have made the playoffs with someone playing defense, making shots, and allowing frye to play a little more center. Not to mention cutting down on turnovers
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6/1/2007  9:23 AM
36 sounds reasonable. But it's not like we have Kurt or he would have any future here, nor is he a solution. If your point is that Eddy Curry often has less impact on wins than a 6'8" jump shooting forward, then I agree with you.
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Posted by Solace:

36 sounds reasonable. But it's not like we have Kurt or he would have any future here, nor is he a solution. If your point is that Eddy Curry often has less impact on wins than a 6'8" jump shooting forward, then I agree with you.
Yeah, that was the point
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6/1/2007  9:28 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

instead of Curry, how many wins would the team have had last season. I'm going with 36.

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6/1/2007  9:29 AM
Actually the point should be this

Curry/Frye
Thomas/Lee

Then we would not have Q Rich and Nate on the team. Q is too injured to be effective long term and his contract runs two extra years.....

We would not have surrender two lottery picks to a conference rival and our future outlook would be brighter because of it. No Jerome James either for three years, but Isiah is smarter than I am. And everyone else for that matter.....

Thats the point!
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6/1/2007  9:30 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:

instead of Curry, how many wins would the team have had last season. I'm going with 36.

There are other ways to get attention for yourself.


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HAHAHAHA @ Nalod
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Posted by MS:

Actually the point should be this

Curry/Frye
Thomas/Lee

Then we would not have Q Rich and Nate on the team. Q is too injured to be effective long term and his contract runs two extra years.....

We would not have surrender two lottery picks to a conference rival and our future outlook would be brighter because of it. No Jerome James either for three years, but Isiah is smarter than I am. And everyone else for that matter.....

Thats the point!

He defenetely is. Just compare the income.
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6/1/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

instead of Curry, how many wins would the team have had last season. I'm going with 36.

If Kurt had been our forward next to Curry how many wins would we have? I'm going with 47.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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6/1/2007  1:39 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bonn1997:

instead of Curry, how many wins would the team have had last season. I'm going with 36.

If Kurt had been our forward next to Curry how many wins would we have? I'm going with 47.

No. He would've been taking Lee's minutes and Lee is clearly better. Kurt instead of Frye would've helped. We're still not a .500 team even with that scenario. He's not a star.
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6/1/2007  1:48 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bonn1997:

instead of Curry, how many wins would the team have had last season. I'm going with 36.

If Kurt had been our forward next to Curry how many wins would we have? I'm going with 47.

No. He would've been taking Lee's minutes and Lee is clearly better. Kurt instead of Frye would've helped. We're still not a .500 team even with that scenario. He's not a star.


Kurt on this team (if Marbs and him could have co-existed) is better than Q and Nate on this team.
Why?
- Because we have no interior defense
- Because he'd play great next to Curry since he doesn't play in the post
- Because he'd play great with Lee when Curry was out of the game
- Lee plays SF for half of his minutes anyway
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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6/1/2007  2:08 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bonn1997:

instead of Curry, how many wins would the team have had last season. I'm going with 36.

If Kurt had been our forward next to Curry how many wins would we have? I'm going with 47.

No. He would've been taking Lee's minutes and Lee is clearly better. Kurt instead of Frye would've helped. We're still not a .500 team even with that scenario. He's not a star.


Kurt on this team (if Marbs and him could have co-existed) is better than Q and Nate on this team.
Why?
- Because we have no interior defense
- Because he'd play great next to Curry since he doesn't play in the post
- Because he'd play great with Lee when Curry was out of the game
- Lee plays SF for half of his minutes anyway

Lee at SF isn't a good idea to start with. That being said, is Kurt a better fit on the Knicks than Q? Probably. Does it give us a huge boost in the win column? Dude, we are talking about Kurt Thomas. Nice role player, but we're not getting a 14 win boost from him.
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6/1/2007  2:31 PM
He was a warrior for this team on both ends. That was his role.
Even if he was just coming in off the bench, it would have helped for those nights when people were running through the lane at will.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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6/1/2007  2:37 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

He was a warrior for this team on both ends. That was his role.
Even if he was just coming in off the bench, it would have helped for those nights when people were running through the lane at will.

All agreed. But 47 wins? You must be watching a different Knicks team if you think Kurt Thomas is the missing piece.
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6/1/2007  2:47 PM
Not the missing piece if isiah new how to use his players correctly i don't think 44 wins is out of the question your a coach you structure your offense for success.

Eddy Curry: He is out of shape doesn't like to work and is too fat to play 36 minutes a night. Cut his minutes down and maximize him more during a shorter period of time. 30 is more than enough time to get him his 15 shots.....

Lee: Should be playing close to forty minutes a night, period he does everything you ask and might not be a great defender, so if your a coach you don't put him at the three....

Isiah YOUR AN ASSHOLE FOR DRAFTING FRYE! Period! Danny Granger or Gerald Greene was the right selection if you were trading for curry, if not you select Bynum, not hindsight, just what a man with any logically understanding of the game would have done.

In reality, the Kurt trade was not a good one, and you could see the defense he provided against duncan. The suns were not the team for him, he would look great for a number of teams.....

This years team really should have been

Curry/James
Thomas/Lee
Granger/Balkman
Crawford
Marbury/Collins

Not brain surgery, but Isiah needs to make terrible signings, dumb trades and a lack of thought in order to justify his terrible moves..........

But instead he made a terrible deal with the suns, two horrible midlevel moves, and the francis trade, i can't stress how dumb this man actually is. He would have had the team in a great position for the future and could have ever moved crawford and thomas to a player team to go with a youth movement, or kept them and battled in the playoffs.......

But its Laydens fault, its larrys fault, and its everyones fault that isiah made two of the worst trade and mid level signings in the last five years.......
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6/1/2007  3:33 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

He was a warrior for this team on both ends. That was his role.
Even if he was just coming in off the bench, it would have helped for those nights when people were running through the lane at will.

All agreed. But 47 wins? You must be watching a different Knicks team if you think Kurt Thomas is the missing piece.

Yeah, I was watching all of the games where we were close, but couldn't get stops down the stretch. Our holes are not having a true gritty 4 or 5 and not having a true spot shooting 2.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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6/1/2007  3:37 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

He was a warrior for this team on both ends. That was his role.
Even if he was just coming in off the bench, it would have helped for those nights when people were running through the lane at will.

All agreed. But 47 wins? You must be watching a different Knicks team if you think Kurt Thomas is the missing piece.

Yeah, I was watching all of the games where we were close, but couldn't get stops down the stretch. Our holes are not having a true gritty 4 or 5 and not having a true spot shooting 2.

Kurt isn't a defensive stud. He's solid, though. We're not talking Ben Wallace or Marcus Camby exactly here.

We won 33 games because our team wasn't that good and our starting lineup got pwned by other teams. Kurt Thomas wouldn't change that. If you want to stop the losing, increase the talent of the starting lineup so the Knicks don't go down by 20. KT can't be the answer. We have structural issues that involve putting in a new foundation.

[Edited by - Solace on Jun 01 2007 3:38 PM]
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