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jazz74
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5/27/2007  1:48 PM
i may be in the minority but i don't think the knicks are that far away from competing. no, i am not isiah thamas masquerading as a poster. looking at the team, there are more parts i like rather than not like, which wasn't the case 2 or 3 years ago. i love curry's development and he is starting to have the work ethic and confidence to believe the paint is his. he must develop to be better this summer. david lee is hopefully healthy and ready for next year. he did not have time to develop and build on his mvp rookies/ sophmore game momentum, but he should be ready next year. maybe frye will get traded for say rashard lewis and lee will be the starting pf which would be ideal as he will avg. 11 boards a game. marbury had a great year and held this team together as much as he could until he was injured. crawford is a very good player who is starting to drive more and get to the foul line to be effective which was somehting he did not do two years ago depending on the jump shot. collins and balkman have been gems and will get better playing in the summer league. if we can get a trade hopefully getting lewis and allen for frye, robinson, crawford and our pick, we are definately in the eastern conference mix. we have talent.
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5/27/2007  1:58 PM
If you mean competing for the 8th seed and a 1st round exit, I agree that it's possible.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 27-05-2007 1:58 PM]
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5/27/2007  2:22 PM
Posted by jazz74:

Are we really that bad?

Yep.
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5/27/2007  2:33 PM
It's not that the knicks are so bad, they just aren't good enough to distinguish themselves from the pack.

Every team in the league is one or two players away. It's just a matter of which two players, and whether they have the assets to get them.
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5/27/2007  3:08 PM
if it all comes together, we can compete next season.
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5/27/2007  5:41 PM
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5/27/2007  5:44 PM
Posted by anklebraker:
Posted by jazz74:

Are we really that bad?

Yep.

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5/27/2007  7:36 PM
Posted by jazz74:

i may be in the minority but i don't think the knicks are that far away from competing. no, i am not isiah thamas masquerading as a poster. looking at the team, there are more parts i like rather than not like, which wasn't the case 2 or 3 years ago. i love curry's development and he is starting to have the work ethic and confidence to believe the paint is his. he must develop to be better this summer. david lee is hopefully healthy and ready for next year. he did not have time to develop and build on his mvp rookies/ sophmore game momentum, but he should be ready next year. maybe frye will get traded for say rashard lewis and lee will be the starting pf which would be ideal as he will avg. 11 boards a game. marbury had a great year and held this team together as much as he could until he was injured. crawford is a very good player who is starting to drive more and get to the foul line to be effective which was somehting he did not do two years ago depending on the jump shot. collins and balkman have been gems and will get better playing in the summer league. if we can get a trade hopefully getting lewis and allen for frye, robinson, crawford and our pick, we are definately in the eastern conference mix. we have talent.

I agree. It just depends on our next couple of moves and the development of our young guys. If the coaching staff can continue to get these guys to develop their games and IT can bring in 1 or 2 more solid veterans, there is no reason for us not to be a 5th or 6th seed in the playoffs next year.
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5/27/2007  8:33 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by jazz74:

i may be in the minority but i don't think the knicks are that far away from competing. no, i am not isiah thamas masquerading as a poster. looking at the team, there are more parts i like rather than not like, which wasn't the case 2 or 3 years ago. i love curry's development and he is starting to have the work ethic and confidence to believe the paint is his. he must develop to be better this summer. david lee is hopefully healthy and ready for next year. he did not have time to develop and build on his mvp rookies/ sophmore game momentum, but he should be ready next year. maybe frye will get traded for say rashard lewis and lee will be the starting pf which would be ideal as he will avg. 11 boards a game. marbury had a great year and held this team together as much as he could until he was injured. crawford is a very good player who is starting to drive more and get to the foul line to be effective which was somehting he did not do two years ago depending on the jump shot. collins and balkman have been gems and will get better playing in the summer league. if we can get a trade hopefully getting lewis and allen for frye, robinson, crawford and our pick, we are definately in the eastern conference mix. we have talent.

I agree. It just depends on our next couple of moves and the development of our young guys. If the coaching staff can continue to get these guys to develop their games and IT can bring in 1 or 2 more solid veterans, there is no reason for us not to be a 5th or 6th seed in the playoffs next year.

I'm not even sure that we need to pick up any vets. So many fans seem to have such a low opinion of the guys we have already. Lee came back and showed that he had more talent than most of the draft pros and other GM's realized. Balkman and Collins are two more examples of that. I think we haven't yet seen just how good this group can be. I'm looking foward to next year and I have a feeling that things will come together much more in year 2 under Coach Isiah. People here don't take seriously the impact that internal growth can have for this team. We have some talented players and we haven't yet gotten everything out of them. Frye is a perfect example, but so is Jared and Nate. These guys just got here really. We are all ready to write them off so soon.

We've only seen the team with a very limited and inexperienced version of Balkman and Collins. We really saw Curry blossom confidence wise and I think now he'll start the year KNOWING that he can't really be stopped. That kind of confidence can mean wonders for a young player. All in all I think that we can compete with all the teams in the East on their level, so why should they feel inferior to anyone except Detroit? None of these teams is really that much more talented than the Knicks. We just didn't put it all together yet, but you could see it coming when we were healthy and improving with each month. We led the league in TO's, didn't shoot a good FT% and still we were one of the better scoring teams in the league. I'm telling you that there's a lot more upside to this team and we have to be patient to allow things to develop. most of this team has been here for 2 or less seasons and we have a good deal of the team with only 2 years or less of experience too. Can we give these players a chance? Can we stop holding the last 7 years against this team which is mostly new?
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5/27/2007  8:42 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you mean competing for the 8th seed and a 1st round exit, I agree that it's possible.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 27-05-2007 1:58 PM]

You could say that for half the teams in the East. We're no more promising than any other team in the east. If we make some major changes then maybe.
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5/27/2007  10:58 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you mean competing for the 8th seed and a 1st round exit, I agree that it's possible.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 27-05-2007 1:58 PM]

You could say that for half the teams in the East. We're no more promising than any other team in the east. If we make some major changes then maybe.

agreed
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5/28/2007  12:21 AM
Posted by anklebraker:
Posted by jazz74:

Are we really that bad?

Yep.

Yep.
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5/28/2007  1:30 AM
Yes.


Wanna put it in perspective?

Read Bill Simmons new article...

and then realize that the Celts are still better than us.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 05-28-2007 01:30 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/28/2007  1:32 AM
Problem we have is the same problem the 'Cats will have.


Jordan and Isiah = Egoes bigger than the state of Kansas.

Same problem the Celts had with Pitino.


They wanna control everything, including the media. And it's never their fault...


Not to mention our owner is a dolt.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/28/2007  6:35 AM
I don't think we're all that bad- but look at the teams playing now- our goal should be to be that good.

And we're not.

Curry's improved- but he came at a huge cost. If we didn't do that trade, and instead went into true rebuild mode- add tyrus or lamarcus to our staff- and then factor in we might have had a lot more ping pong balls and we might have been able to land an oden.

Curry isn't that good.

Marbury, improved, but too much of a diva, not a pg that gets his team involved or better shots.
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5/28/2007  8:40 AM
bad?.....remember we lost a year of sanity with you know who

this year we will have no excuses
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Posted by Bobby:

bad?.....remember we lost a year of sanity with you know who

this year we will have no excuses

bobby, i really question what effect that should have had on this past season. during training camp and preseason, a number of knicks were saying they felt free and supported and ready to have a whole different kind of cohesive season. additionally, it seemed like some players (craw, frye) actually played quite a bit better under larry than isiah. isiah did several things with the team that weren’t working, yet he continued ot do them (like putting starting lineups out there that routinely fell way behind, causing the more effective units to have to ply catch-up for the rest of the game. The team won 33 games, which seemed to be the right amount given the problems with chemistry of the players on the court, the flaws of key players and some dubious coaching decisions.

how is any of last season larry's fault?
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5/28/2007  9:48 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bobby:

bad?.....remember we lost a year of sanity with you know who

this year we will have no excuses

bobby, i really question what effect that should have had on this past season. during training camp and preseason, a number of knicks were saying they felt free and supported and ready to have a whole different kind of cohesive season. additionally, it seemed like some players (craw, frye) actually played quite a bit better under larry than isiah. isiah did several things with the team that weren’t working, yet he continued ot do them (like putting starting lineups out there that routinely fell way behind, causing the more effective units to have to ply catch-up for the rest of the game. The team won 33 games, which seemed to be the right amount given the problems with chemistry of the players on the court, the flaws of key players and some dubious coaching decisions.

how is any of last season larry's fault?

I'll agree that Isiah wasn't perfect, but he also did some very good things with this team that outweighed the bad IMO. This actually looked like a team for much of the year. We got off to an expected slow start, tho we didn't expect it to be bad as it actually turned out to be. Still it was reasonable to expect a somewhat slow start and for the team to pick up steam as they went along. The guys on the team showed very good comraderie, came together and stayed together. We saw the team make a small but gradual improvement up until the injuries. I find it all to convenient to look at the final record and ignore what was really going on during the season when this team was beginning to jell. The knicks were actually getting stronger while the other teams like the Magic, Nets and Pacers were getting worse. I don't see any evidence that this team wouldn't have continued to get better like they were doing all year.

I don't blame last year on Larry, but what he didn't do left us in a bad way to start the year. There was a lack of growth and development of any kind of foundation. Just because jamal and Frye may have played a bit better doesn't outweigh all the other horrible work Larry did with the rest of the team. Isiah had more guys play better under him than Larry did.
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5/28/2007  10:15 AM
Yes.

But on the optimistic side, if everybody on the Knicks improves as much as possible, other teams have their share of injuries like they did last year and everything breaks in the Knicks favor, they can make the playoffs next year.

Maybe.
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5/28/2007  1:05 PM
No the KNicks are not that bad they are just a player away from competing on the highest level of basketball.
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