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Thanks to the way the draft lottery went, do the Knicks make the playoffs now?
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Solace
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I know a lot of people thought/think the Knicks aren't a playoff team next season. However, with the fact that top two dominant impact players to be drafted, Oden and Durant, are going west, does this change your perception? Add into the fact that it sounds more and more like Jermaine O'Neal will be traded *somewhere*, which means the Pacers won't be that good either, and do you think the Knicks now make the playoffs? I'm curious if anyone revised their predictions. Honestly, I say we *might* make it as the eighth seed and I predicted 39 wins. I'm sticking with that win total, for now. I think the east is bad next year, and moreso, the west is so dominant, that 39 wins might be a playoff team. Part of my initial logic was the likelihood of the Celtics getting Oden or Durant. This is barring any moves. I think the team has a lot of flaws, but I think we slip in to the playoffs, despite that. Knicks in the playoffs next season?
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5/25/2007  5:32 PM
It all depends on Curry and Crawford to me. Marbury is prolly gonna play similar to how he did last season, assuming his knees hold up. If Crawford can play the way he did for Larry Brown and Curry can improve and work harder, I say we can even be a top Eastern team. If those 2 basically stay the same, then we'll see maybe a few more wins, and maybe jump in as an 8th seed first round exit at most.
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5/25/2007  5:32 PM
not if a player gets an injury
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5/25/2007  6:11 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

not if a player gets an injury

Get it right! Not if we sustain massive amounts of injuries all at once!

The thing is that I already felt that the team as it was is a playoff level team. I expect that we'll get some kind of roster adjustments and that coupled with the continuity from last year and some improvment from within, should be enough to make this a solid playoff team.

If you can imagine this team starting the year with the benefit of what they learned last year and not having to start from scratch again, this team will start the year already ahead. Curry will start the year the confident player he became last year. He wasn't as good to start the year as he was when the season ended. The same could be said for Balkman and Collins. I just think despite the flaws that we can expect another double digit improvement in wins. Why shouldn't we believe this team can be a plus .500 team? I don't expect another 6-11 start or another horrible start at home like we had last year. I don't expect that we'll have the same rash of injuries, simultaneously, like we did this year either. We'll have some injuries, as all teams do, but I don't expect the same thing to happen again. If that is the case I think this team is good enough to win a few more than half of it's games.


[Edited by - nixluva on 05-25-2007 6:12 PM]
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5/25/2007  6:16 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

not if a player gets an injury

Good point, first injury to Joe Reserve and all bets are off.
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5/25/2007  6:54 PM
the team will make the playoffs next season, at what position will be the million dollar question. Not only will the knicks return better, but all the teams will be better. So we do need to make some modifications.
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5/26/2007  12:12 AM
Unless the Knicks are the ones that get JO (and without having to blow up all their youth) and grab a reliable shooter either through the draft(Almond, Trey Johnson) or in FA (Carroll, Stevenson) they are a borderline #8 seed.

And that doesn't include the added IF of improving their defense and consistency.
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5/26/2007  12:39 AM
Yes, and if they don't, Isiah and Mills should be held accountable by Mr. Unaccountable.
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5/26/2007  9:17 AM
in the Atlantic alone:

Philly has 3 picks in a pretty good draft to go with Andre I who has already shown the ability to dominate in triple double fashion from the 2 spot.

Boston has stockpiled youth that are as talented as any and have assets to trade for say a Pau or Jermaine and still keep Pierce.

Bargnani will be a year older and Bosh is top 3 in the East as far as big men.

NJ gets Krstic back, Kidd and RJ are still big time, Boone Williams and Nochbar is a solid bench rotation and they have a huge trade chip in Carter if they so choose.


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5/26/2007  9:28 AM
After Toronto, Detroit, and Chicago, we should be able to contend with any team at full strength. "Should" being the operative word.

Some kind of roster clearing move would help the situation, so we're not going 10 deep every night, but that's probably wishful thinking.
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5/26/2007  9:34 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

After Toronto, Detroit, and Chicago, we should be able to contend with any team at full strength. "Should" being the operative word.

Some kind of roster clearing move would help the situation, so we're not going 10 deep every night, but that's probably wishful thinking.
Toronto?? I think we can definitely contend with Toronto, the Nets are the team we simply CAN NOT beat

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5/26/2007  9:48 AM
We can't beat Kidd and the Nets head to head, but we should be able to beat them record wise.
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5/26/2007  10:28 AM
I think our chances will depend on guys like Collins, Q, Lee, and Balkman. Marbury and Crawford will probably play like they did last year. Curry should improve slightly in all areas of his game with another summer of working with the coaching staff, but to really make a big leap in the standings, we need Lee to start and continue to develop, we need Collins and Balkman to find jumpshots to go along with their defense, and we need Q to stay healthy and give use at least 65 games. And, most importantly, we need the team as a whole to play smarter team basketball and cut down on turnovers. If these things happen, I think we can be a 4th-6th seed in the playoffs.

[Edited by - thegame on 05-26-2007 10:29 AM]
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5/26/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I think our chances will depend on guys like Collins, Q, Lee, and Balkman. Marbury and Crawford will probably play like they did last year. Curry should improve slightly in all areas of his game with another summer of working with the coaching staff, but to really make a big leap in the standings, we need Lee to start and continue to develop, we need Collins and Balkman to find jumpshots to go along with their defense, and we need Q to stay healthy and give use at least 65 games. And, most importantly, we need the team as a whole to play smarter team basketball and cut down on turnovers. If these things happen, I think we can be a 4th-6th seed in the playoffs.

[Edited by - thegame on 05-26-2007 10:29 AM]

Yeah I agree. I have a good feeling about Lee, Collins and Balkman. The reason is the more they play the better they perform. Not every player is like that. They all are. You want guys like that to be out there in your rotation for heavy minutes.

I'm pulling for Q this year. I think he's finally gonna have a year where he is mostly healthy. He was really having a big year before his back acted up. You could see he was in a groove shooting the ball. He was rebounding as well as ever. All this he did while still not being healthy. Most people who have the surgery he had, report that they feel none of the pain they had before and that will only be a good thing for Q. I feel like he's a team leader and he needs to be out there and playing well for his voice to be heard more.
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5/26/2007  12:41 PM
Does anybody else think Collins' development is the key to next season other than the health of the team?

If he develops his outside shot even a little, he should create mismatches on offense, and be a shutdown defender on offense. He also runs the offense faster than Marbury. I've said for a long time, Marbury is fast end to end as an individual, but he doesn't seem to run well with others.
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5/26/2007  12:57 PM
I think this thread is stupid because even though Durant and Oden could be great, a very small percent of Rookies push non-playoff teams into the playoffs the first year they play. The top two talents in the draft have been apart of teams that done it 3 times Bargnani, Bogut, and Anthony since 2000.


So pretty much this thread is just a loaded to have a knicks stink free for all.............ugh.

[Edited by - anji on 05-26-2007 12:58 PM]
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5/26/2007  12:58 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Does anybody else think Collins' development is the key to next season other than the health of the team?

If he develops his outside shot even a little, he should create mismatches on offense, and be a shutdown defender on offense. He also runs the offense faster than Marbury. I've said for a long time, Marbury is fast end to end as an individual, but he doesn't seem to run well with others.

As long as Marbury is not hurt he will get 30 minutes a game. And with Crawford and Nate in the mix (and Q/Fran to a certain extent) there will be NO meaningful time for Collins.
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5/26/2007  1:49 PM
Too early to tell. I want to see where the teams are in October first. I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of action in trades and signings this offseason.
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5/26/2007  2:44 PM
The Knicks can be 50% team and get to first round if all IF's will turn positive.
I believe in 50% IF's to be positive and 50% negative
So in reality 33-37 wins and no play off.
If IF's will go bad as it was last 2 season the drain is the bottom...
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5/26/2007  9:38 PM

Why do we care about the playoffs right now? Aren't we just feeding into the NY media's mantra that you "can't rebuild in NY" because the fans are so impatient? Yet the same mantra puts you in downward spiral that lasts two or three times as long as it otherwise would have if you just did it right the first time. I say F the playoffs, one-and-out isn't the point, or shouldn't be, right now. Blow it up, cut the garbage, hand the reins to the kids, and watch some enjoyable basketball -- the kind where the players exert effort, Oakley style -- and see where it takes us. I think this would be a faster, and more entertaining, path to "playoff" basketball.
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5/27/2007  12:09 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Does anybody else think Collins' development is the key to next season other than the health of the team?

If he develops his outside shot even a little, he should create mismatches on offense, and be a shutdown defender on offense. He also runs the offense faster than Marbury. I've said for a long time, Marbury is fast end to end as an individual, but he doesn't seem to run well with others.

As long as Marbury is not hurt he will get 30 minutes a game. And with Crawford and Nate in the mix (and Q/Fran to a certain extent) there will be NO meaningful time for Collins.

Collins minutes will go up and down from game to game. I actually think that he's moved ahead of Nate in the depth chart. He does what Nate can't. He may not be the shooter Nate is, but his defense, size, strength and ability to run the offense make him a more useful player for this team. Nate seems destined to be an instant offense guy off the bench.

I don't know what Isiah is gonna do about Francis, but he's the guy that messes up the works. Minus him we could work things out a bit more. I know they have said they won't buy him out, but I think that's only temporary. Eventually I believe it's the only solution, unless they just do him like Tim Thomas and keep him away from the team.

stanleybostitch mentioned not being concerned with the playoffs and instead rebuilding. I think that this team is about as rebuilt as it's gonna get. It wouldn't benefit us to go any further with youth. We'll add another draftee and with that guy the team has a significant number of guys under 25. We've got 3 older guys 2 yrs from being done. All we'll really have is youngish players.


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