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5/25/2007  10:21 AM


Steve Francis, seated in front of a boxing ring this week in a cramped, musty gym in Southwest Washington, lifted his red Houston Astros cap and rubbed his freshly shaved head.

"If it wasn't for basketball, it would've been this," said Francis, the New York Knicks guard and former Maryland star. Francis looked on from the Bald Eagle Recreation Center, where brothers Lamont and Anthony Peterson were working out in preparation for tonight's ESPN2 fight card at the D.C. Armory.

Francis, a boxer? "If my chin could've held up," Francis said with a laugh.

Growing up in the same Takoma Park neighborhood as former world champion Sharmba Mitchell, Francis said he has always been fascinated with boxing. Francis is president of Peake Management Group Boxing, which was founded by his friend and business manager Nate Peake, and he has learned the inner workings of the sport over the years. Peake said Francis has sat in on dinner meetings with Don King and Bob Arum and helped negotiate deals with HBO.

Now, Francis is heavily involved in promoting the seven-bout card headlined by the Peterson brothers, both D.C. natives and amateur stars who have yet to suffer a loss since turning pro in September 2004.

"When [Francis] is not playing basketball, this is his full-time job," Peake said. "He loves it."

Francis bypassed sleep on Wednesday to catch an early morning flight from Houston and do a media blitz for the event, which he hopes will help boxing become relevant again in Washington. Floyd Mayweather Jr., fresh off his defeat of Oscar De La Hoya for the WBC light middleweight title, is expected to be in attendance tonight at the Armory.

"I've been loving boxing since I was about 6 years old. Sugar Ray [Leonard], with him being local, I always watched him," Francis said. "I think it's going to be a great thing for Washington."

Francis's agent, Jeff Fried, was among the initial investors in former heavyweight champion Riddick Bowe's career, and Francis has known Peake since childhood. Peake, 37, a business associate of Fried's, has been around boxing for 19 years and said that Francis was always interested in the business side. "It's not like he's in it because of who he is. He's been groomed in it all his life. He's been raised in it," Peake said. "As I would travel and do my business, he would always give his input and want to get involved. He'd say, 'I really like this.' I said, 'Why don't you be a part of it?' "

Francis signed on as president of PMG after completing his rookie season with the Houston Rockets in 2000. PMG scored something of a coup on the Washington boxing scene five years later, when it helped promote the Mike Tyson-Kevin McBride fight at Verizon Center.

Francis likes this card more than that one.

"We got two guys, super hungry to get to that next level," Francis said of the Peterson brothers. Many boxing observers view both Anthony (22-0, 16 knockouts) and Lamont (20-0, 8 KOs) as future world champions. "If I had this work ethic, like they are working here, I'd probably have four championships right now."

Anthony Peterson, 22, will fight Luis Ernesto Jose (27-4-2, 24 KOs) for the World Boxing Organization's lightweight (135-pound) title in the card's main event. Lamont Peterson, 23, will meet John Brown (23-13-2, 11 KOs) in a 140-pound feature. Both bouts will be televised.

As a professional basketball player with millions in the bank, Francis said he doesn't want anyone confuse him with a certain loudmouth, big-haired boxing promoter.

"Unlike Don [King], I want to play fair as far the purse is concerned," said Francis, who is set to earn $34 million from his NBA contract the next two seasons.

But Francis said he wouldn't mind having a name in boxing that someday resonates like King's. "Definitely, trying to," he said. "It's not easy. You've got to crawl before you walk. This is definitely crawling here."

Francis said that when he's home in the offseason, he comes to Bald Eagle once or twice a week to work out with the Petersons' trainer, Barry Hunter. "With boxing, you use every single muscle in your body," Francis said. "I purposely didn't put on my boxing shoes today, so [Hunter] won't put me in the ring. He'd probably try to destroy me."

While watching the Peterson brothers work punching bags with rapid-fire precision, Francis couldn't resist joining in.

"Let me see that right there," Francis said.

Francis picked up his equipment of choice and slid between the bags, gracefully moving from one end of the floor to the other -- dribbling a basketball between his legs.
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5/25/2007  11:12 AM
LOL @ the work ethic comment
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5/25/2007  12:08 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL @ the work ethic comment

"We got two guys, super hungry to get to that next level," Francis said of the Peterson brothers. Many boxing observers view both Anthony (22-0, 16 knockouts) and Lamont (20-0, 8 KOs) as future world champions. "If I had this work ethic, like they are working here, I'd probably have four championships right now."

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5/25/2007  12:29 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL @ the work ethic comment

"We got two guys, super hungry to get to that next level," Francis said of the Peterson brothers. Many boxing observers view both Anthony (22-0, 16 knockouts) and Lamont (20-0, 8 KOs) as future world champions. "If I had this work ethic, like they are working here, I'd probably have four championships right now."


Right out of the school of Eddy Curryism and Stephon Marburyism.

Work ethic "Naaaaaaawwwww don't need it, basketball is just a Hobby to us, championships are for Chumps".

Does he realize how dumb that comment sounds, obviously not.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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5/25/2007  12:46 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL @ the work ethic comment

"We got two guys, super hungry to get to that next level," Francis said of the Peterson brothers. Many boxing observers view both Anthony (22-0, 16 knockouts) and Lamont (20-0, 8 KOs) as future world champions. "If I had this work ethic, like they are working here, I'd probably have four championships right now."

Right out of the school of Eddy Curryism and Stephon Marburyism.

Work ethic "Naaaaaaawwwww don't need it, basketball is just a Hobby to us, championships are for Chumps".

Does he realize how dumb that comment sounds, obviously not.
He is not dumb...
The people who believed in him as bbal star are...




[Edited by - arkrud on 05-25-2007 12:46 PM]
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5/25/2007  1:42 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by TrueBlue:

LOL @ the work ethic comment

"We got two guys, super hungry to get to that next level," Francis said of the Peterson brothers. Many boxing observers view both Anthony (22-0, 16 knockouts) and Lamont (20-0, 8 KOs) as future world champions. "If I had this work ethic, like they are working here, I'd probably have four championships right now."


Right out of the school of Eddy Curryism and Stephon Marburyism.

Work ethic "Naaaaaaawwwww don't need it, basketball is just a Hobby to us, championships are for Chumps".

Does he realize how dumb that comment sounds, obviously not.

that is a great attitude to have.
^precocious neophyte.
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5/25/2007  2:35 PM
Francis just never bothered to learn how to be a PG when he was younger he could just take over games. Now that he has lost a step, he has no fundamentals to really allow him to maximize his talent. It is sad because the guy is a top-35 player in terms of skills but his lack of understanding of the game negates the impact of his ability to score.
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5/25/2007  5:07 PM
I think the idea that steph hasn't worked hard is a bit over the top. There's really no proof of that. He may have been stubborn and hard to work with, but I doubt anyone has really outworked him over his career in terms of conditioning and working on his game. The things that we kill him for are not a case of him not working hard in the off season or in practice.

I think Francis is a different story, cuz he NEVER showed the kind of game that Steph has in his career. He's been a solo act in a team game to a much higher degree than Steph ever has been. You can more clearly see the difference in the two now that they are on the same team. Steph is a better player and he's at least shown that he can make adjustments in his game, even if it didn't come without some kicking and screaming.

I'm pulling for this team to get better soon, so that Steph can have some real success here with this team. It would be a good way for him to go out and end his career.
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5/25/2007  5:09 PM
I have just one question. Who wins in a boxing match? Him or Tim Thomas?
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/25/2007  7:39 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think the idea that steph hasn't worked hard is a bit over the top. There's really no proof of that. He may have been stubborn and hard to work with, but I doubt anyone has really outworked him over his career in terms of conditioning and working on his game. The things that we kill him for are not a case of him not working hard in the off season or in practice.

I think Francis is a different story, cuz he NEVER showed the kind of game that Steph has in his career. He's been a solo act in a team game to a much higher degree than Steph ever has been. You can more clearly see the difference in the two now that they are on the same team. Steph is a better player and he's at least shown that he can make adjustments in his game, even if it didn't come without some kicking and screaming.

I'm pulling for this team to get better soon, so that Steph can have some real success here with this team. It would be a good way for him to go out and end his career.


Dude he's come into camp out of shape and started seasons off that several times throughout his career. That's not a sign to someone who's committed to winning a championship and the fact he's personally made the hobby comment shows where he's been/is at mentally in his career. Steve at his best was just as good as Steph. Steve had 3 seasons in a row 20pts/6reb/6ast/1.5stls and did it 4 out of 5yrs. At the beginning of the season first 15gms he was clearly better than Steph but proved to be better than him as he should he's been here longer has the most freedom for error.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-25-2007 6:43 PM]
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5/25/2007  10:37 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

I think the idea that steph hasn't worked hard is a bit over the top. There's really no proof of that. He may have been stubborn and hard to work with, but I doubt anyone has really outworked him over his career in terms of conditioning and working on his game. The things that we kill him for are not a case of him not working hard in the off season or in practice.

I think Francis is a different story, cuz he NEVER showed the kind of game that Steph has in his career. He's been a solo act in a team game to a much higher degree than Steph ever has been. You can more clearly see the difference in the two now that they are on the same team. Steph is a better player and he's at least shown that he can make adjustments in his game, even if it didn't come without some kicking and screaming.

I'm pulling for this team to get better soon, so that Steph can have some real success here with this team. It would be a good way for him to go out and end his career.

Dude he's come into camp out of shape and started seasons off that several times throughout his career. That's not a sign to someone who's committed to winning a championship and the fact he's personally made the hobby comment shows where he's been/is at mentally in his career. Steve at his best was just as good as Steph. Steve had 3 seasons in a row 20pts/6reb/6ast/1.5stls and did it 4 out of 5yrs. At the beginning of the season first 15gms he was clearly better than Steph but proved to be better than him as he should he's been here longer has the most freedom for error.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-25-2007 6:43 PM]

Steph has been known more for his great conditioning and not for coming into camp like Shaq all out of shape and looking to play his way into shape. Perhaps you're thinking of Baron Davis, I don't know what you're talking about. I totally disagree with you on Francis being every bit as good as Steph in his prime, cuz Steph could score like Francis, but he also was much more of a passer than Francis. Francis has always been a wild player and he was a TO machine. Their numbers look close, but in terms of how they played i'd always take Steph and still would. At one time Steph was truly considered one of top 3 PG's in the league every year. They'd mention Stockton, Kidd and Steph. Francis was never in that company.
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5/25/2007  11:43 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

I think the idea that steph hasn't worked hard is a bit over the top. There's really no proof of that. He may have been stubborn and hard to work with, but I doubt anyone has really outworked him over his career in terms of conditioning and working on his game. The things that we kill him for are not a case of him not working hard in the off season or in practice.

I think Francis is a different story, cuz he NEVER showed the kind of game that Steph has in his career. He's been a solo act in a team game to a much higher degree than Steph ever has been. You can more clearly see the difference in the two now that they are on the same team. Steph is a better player and he's at least shown that he can make adjustments in his game, even if it didn't come without some kicking and screaming.

I'm pulling for this team to get better soon, so that Steph can have some real success here with this team. It would be a good way for him to go out and end his career.

Dude he's come into camp out of shape and started seasons off that several times throughout his career. That's not a sign to someone who's committed to winning a championship and the fact he's personally made the hobby comment shows where he's been/is at mentally in his career. Steve at his best was just as good as Steph. Steve had 3 seasons in a row 20pts/6reb/6ast/1.5stls and did it 4 out of 5yrs. At the beginning of the season first 15gms he was clearly better than Steph but proved to be better than him as he should he's been here longer has the most freedom for error.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-25-2007 6:43 PM]

Steph has been known more for his great conditioning and not for coming into camp like Shaq all out of shape and looking to play his way into shape. Perhaps you're thinking of Baron Davis, I don't know what you're talking about. I totally disagree with you on Francis being every bit as good as Steph in his prime, cuz Steph could score like Francis, but he also was much more of a passer than Francis. Francis has always been a wild player and he was a TO machine. Their numbers look close, but in terms of how they played i'd always take Steph and still would. At one time Steph was truly considered one of top 3 PG's in the league every year. They'd mention Stockton, Kidd and Steph. Francis was never in that company.


It really isn't a comparison about who played point guard better and no at the time Stockton was playing it was Stockton, Payton, Kidd. When comparing them it's player vs player and Steve in his prime was just as good as Steph. He out rebounds, steals, blks, and shoots an overall better % from 3 for his career than Steph.

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5/26/2007  12:08 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

I think the idea that steph hasn't worked hard is a bit over the top. There's really no proof of that. He may have been stubborn and hard to work with, but I doubt anyone has really outworked him over his career in terms of conditioning and working on his game. The things that we kill him for are not a case of him not working hard in the off season or in practice.

I think Francis is a different story, cuz he NEVER showed the kind of game that Steph has in his career. He's been a solo act in a team game to a much higher degree than Steph ever has been. You can more clearly see the difference in the two now that they are on the same team. Steph is a better player and he's at least shown that he can make adjustments in his game, even if it didn't come without some kicking and screaming.

I'm pulling for this team to get better soon, so that Steph can have some real success here with this team. It would be a good way for him to go out and end his career.

Dude he's come into camp out of shape and started seasons off that several times throughout his career. That's not a sign to someone who's committed to winning a championship and the fact he's personally made the hobby comment shows where he's been/is at mentally in his career. Steve at his best was just as good as Steph. Steve had 3 seasons in a row 20pts/6reb/6ast/1.5stls and did it 4 out of 5yrs. At the beginning of the season first 15gms he was clearly better than Steph but proved to be better than him as he should he's been here longer has the most freedom for error.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-25-2007 6:43 PM]

Steph has been known more for his great conditioning and not for coming into camp like Shaq all out of shape and looking to play his way into shape. Perhaps you're thinking of Baron Davis, I don't know what you're talking about. I totally disagree with you on Francis being every bit as good as Steph in his prime, cuz Steph could score like Francis, but he also was much more of a passer than Francis. Francis has always been a wild player and he was a TO machine. Their numbers look close, but in terms of how they played i'd always take Steph and still would. At one time Steph was truly considered one of top 3 PG's in the league every year. They'd mention Stockton, Kidd and Steph. Francis was never in that company.


It really isn't a comparison about who played point guard better and no at the time Stockton was playing it was Stockton, Payton, Kidd. When comparing them it's player vs player and Steve in his prime was just as good as Steph. He out rebounds, steals, blks, and shoots an overall better % from 3 for his career than Steph.

Payton was always there, but it was STEPH who was in that argument for many years. Yes there was a time when Payton was up there, but not for his entire career. I know you know that Steph was put in that argument and I could find the many mentions where that question was raised. In fact after Stockton the argument was clearly between Kidd and Steph for a time. Then Nash blew up in PHX. You just want to be argumentative as usual. Francis was NEVER put in that context and Steph was. You could always find a player who had equal or better stats, that's not the argument at all.
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5/26/2007  12:25 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

I think the idea that steph hasn't worked hard is a bit over the top. There's really no proof of that. He may have been stubborn and hard to work with, but I doubt anyone has really outworked him over his career in terms of conditioning and working on his game. The things that we kill him for are not a case of him not working hard in the off season or in practice.

I think Francis is a different story, cuz he NEVER showed the kind of game that Steph has in his career. He's been a solo act in a team game to a much higher degree than Steph ever has been. You can more clearly see the difference in the two now that they are on the same team. Steph is a better player and he's at least shown that he can make adjustments in his game, even if it didn't come without some kicking and screaming.

I'm pulling for this team to get better soon, so that Steph can have some real success here with this team. It would be a good way for him to go out and end his career.

Dude he's come into camp out of shape and started seasons off that several times throughout his career. That's not a sign to someone who's committed to winning a championship and the fact he's personally made the hobby comment shows where he's been/is at mentally in his career. Steve at his best was just as good as Steph. Steve had 3 seasons in a row 20pts/6reb/6ast/1.5stls and did it 4 out of 5yrs. At the beginning of the season first 15gms he was clearly better than Steph but proved to be better than him as he should he's been here longer has the most freedom for error.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-25-2007 6:43 PM]

Steph has been known more for his great conditioning and not for coming into camp like Shaq all out of shape and looking to play his way into shape. Perhaps you're thinking of Baron Davis, I don't know what you're talking about. I totally disagree with you on Francis being every bit as good as Steph in his prime, cuz Steph could score like Francis, but he also was much more of a passer than Francis. Francis has always been a wild player and he was a TO machine. Their numbers look close, but in terms of how they played i'd always take Steph and still would. At one time Steph was truly considered one of top 3 PG's in the league every year. They'd mention Stockton, Kidd and Steph. Francis was never in that company.


It really isn't a comparison about who played point guard better and no at the time Stockton was playing it was Stockton, Payton, Kidd. When comparing them it's player vs player and Steve in his prime was just as good as Steph. He out rebounds, steals, blks, and shoots an overall better % from 3 for his career than Steph.

Payton was always there, but it was STEPH who was in that argument for many years. Yes there was a time when Payton was up there, but not for his entire career. I know you know that Steph was put in that argument and I could find the many mentions where that question was raised. In fact after Stockton the argument was clearly between Kidd and Steph for a time. Then Nash blew up in PHX. You just want to be argumentative as usual. Francis was NEVER put in that context and Steph was. You could always find a player who had equal or better stats, that's not the argument at all.


That was the argument I was making in that Steve as a player in his prime was just as good as Steph. You're trying to turn it into who was the better point gaurd and that wasn't the argument. You always do this when you try to debate you slightly twist. An before Payton got traded he was a Top 3 point gaurd for about a decade from 1993-2003.
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5/26/2007  2:54 PM
Great PG tend to be a winners.
Both Steve and Steph are losers - they never help their team to win at least respect in the NBA. To me all other stats/talents are irrelevant.
They are close because they are same in losers column. Period.
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5/26/2007  6:16 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Great PG tend to be a winners.
Both Steve and Steph are losers - they never help their team to win at least respect in the NBA. To me all other stats/talents are irrelevant.
They are close because they are same in losers column. Period.

true. it's effort that held them both back, really. marbury can actually play defense and steve-o actually makes some nice plays when hes not filming and-1 mix tapes. but it happens once every full moon.
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