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Bonn1997
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5/18/2007  9:14 AM
Which players on our roster do you value more than you'd value a mid 1st round pick? In other words, let's say you were GM and could do whatever you wanted with the team in the long-run. So if there were no salary restrictions and we could trade each Knick for mid 1st rd picks, which Knicks would you not trade and which would you trade? I'll start.

Curry: Trade (I know many will disagree, but there are too many versatile too way players available in the mid 1st rd to keep Curry)
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade
Marbury: Trade
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade
Collins: Trade
Q-Rich: Trade (only because of his injury history)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Trade
Cato: Trade
Rose: Trade
Morris: Trade
James: Trade

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-18-2007 11:31 AM]
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5/18/2007  9:34 AM
Curry: KEEP! None of the guys after 1 or 2 are likely to be as dominant.
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade (there are certainly some SG's who could be more consistently good)
Marbury: Trade (only cuz you could get a Javaris Crittenton or Acie Law and due to his age)
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade (only becaue of his size. The guy can play and his shooting is actually pretty good)
Collins: Keep (He's underrated. He showed that he's pro when given time he was more than holding his own)
Q-Rich: Keep (I expect him to be much healthier. not 100%, but better)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Keep (His size and shooting are rare. I'm not yet convinced he won't be a good player)
Cato: Trade
Rose: Trade
Morris: Keep (this guy was just beating some of these guys in college)
James: Trade

It only makes sense the most of our young guys, the ones that will be getting more and more PT are the guys we are most likley to want to keep. SOme of the guys on the list it is more than obvious that anyone would want them traded in exchange for a mid 1st rd pick. Those guys are old and not very good, so there's no surprise there. I think Curry is under appreciated tho. Even flawed he's still a very useful player to have. i don't expect him to stay at his current level. I think he'll get better all around. Just a couple more bounds and assist and a block and this guy is going to be an ALL STAR! I don't see that for any of the guys we'd get around 15.
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5/18/2007  9:43 AM
Perfect thread to illustrate how drastically draft picks are over-rated here.
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5/18/2007  9:44 AM

Curry: Keep
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade
Marbury: Keep
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade
Collins: Keep
Q-Rich: Trade (injury)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Trade
Cato: Trade
Rose: Keep
Morris: Trade
James: Trade
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5/18/2007  10:35 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Which players on our roster do you value more than you'd value a mid 1st round pick? In other words, if there were no salary restrictions and we could trade a player for the 15th pick in this draft, which Knicks would you not trade and which would you trade? I'll start.

Curry: Trade (I know many will disagree, but there are too many versatile too way players available in the mid 1st rd to keep Curry)
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade
Marbury: Trade
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade
Collins: Trade
Q-Rich: Trade (only because of his injury history)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Trade
Cato: Trade
Rose: Trade
Morris: Trade
James: Trade

How could you possibly trade Curry for a mid-1st round pick?

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5/18/2007  10:41 AM
Posted by RemBee76:

Perfect thread to illustrate how drastically draft picks are over-rated here.
Pretty much, people going crazy over draft profiles need to look at what the write ups were on guys who were 15th picks like Steven Hunter, Jason Collier, Bostjan Nachbar, Al Jefferson, Antoine Wright, Cedric Simmons.... of which only one seems he could be a player.

I would keep:
Curry
Lee
Balkman
Collins
Crawford
Nate
Frye
Morris
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TheGame
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5/18/2007  10:45 AM
I would keep:
Curry
Lee
Balkman
Collins
Crawford
Nate
Frye
Morris
Marbury
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BRIGGS
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5/18/2007  10:54 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Which players on our roster do you value more than you'd value a mid 1st round pick? In other words, if there were no salary restrictions and we could trade a player for the 15th pick in this draft, which Knicks would you not trade and which would you trade? I'll start.

Curry: Trade (I know many will disagree, but there are too many versatile too way players available in the mid 1st rd to keep Curry)
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade
Marbury: Trade
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade
Collins: Trade
Q-Rich: Trade (only because of his injury history)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Trade
Cato: Trade
Rose: Trade
Morris: Trade
James: Trade

This is crazy.
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5/18/2007  11:19 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Which players on our roster do you value more than you'd value a mid 1st round pick? In other words, if there were no salary restrictions and we could trade a player for the 15th pick in this draft, which Knicks would you not trade and which would you trade? I'll start.

Curry: Trade (I know many will disagree, but there are too many versatile too way players available in the mid 1st rd to keep Curry)
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade
Marbury: Trade
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade
Collins: Trade
Q-Rich: Trade (only because of his injury history)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Trade
Cato: Trade
Rose: Trade
Morris: Trade
James: Trade

This is crazy.

LMAO. Dude wants a complete overhaul. But can't blame em.
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5/18/2007  11:27 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Which players on our roster do you value more than you'd value a mid 1st round pick? In other words, if there were no salary restrictions and we could trade a player for the 15th pick in this draft, which Knicks would you not trade and which would you trade? I'll start.

Curry: Trade (I know many will disagree, but there are too many versatile too way players available in the mid 1st rd to keep Curry)
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade
Marbury: Trade
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade
Collins: Trade
Q-Rich: Trade (only because of his injury history)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Trade
Cato: Trade
Rose: Trade
Morris: Trade
James: Trade

This is crazy.

I want to build around versatile, two way players, not the wusses that I guess you want to build around. It surprises me because you used to be critical of the Knicks and you used to want tough, versatile players. Now it seems like the softer, the better to you.
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5/18/2007  11:28 AM
Posted by RemBee76:

Perfect thread to illustrate how drastically draft picks are over-rated here.

I was gonna say perfect thread to illustrate how overrated most our young players are.
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5/18/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by martin:


Curry: Keep
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade
Marbury: Keep
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade
Collins: Keep
Q-Rich: Trade (injury)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Trade
Cato: Trade
Rose: Keep
Morris: Trade
James: Trade

Keep Marbury? I guess if you took over as GM, you wouldn't be rebuilding but rather would be re-tooling. That's not what I'd do with a team that's lost 110 games in the last two seasons.
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5/18/2007  11:32 AM
I re-worded the initial question to make it clear that I'm asking as if you were the GM and you could do whatever you wanted with the team over the next several years (rebuild, re-tool, etc.).
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5/18/2007  11:33 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Which players on our roster do you value more than you'd value a mid 1st round pick? In other words, if there were no salary restrictions and we could trade a player for the 15th pick in this draft, which Knicks would you not trade and which would you trade? I'll start.

Curry: Trade (I know many will disagree, but there are too many versatile too way players available in the mid 1st rd to keep Curry)
Lee: Keep
Balkman: Keep
Crawford: Trade
Marbury: Trade
Francis: Trade
Nate: Trade
Collins: Trade
Q-Rich: Trade (only because of his injury history)
Jeffries: Trade
Frye: Trade
Cato: Trade
Rose: Trade
Morris: Trade
James: Trade

How could you possibly trade Curry for a mid-1st round pick?

How could you have to ask me that after reading my posts here? You know I don't value one-dimensional players who hurt their teams in many areas of the game.
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5/18/2007  11:36 AM
To summarize the last 5 posts, all by Bonn, if you keep anyone other than Lee and Balkman, you are damning the Knicks and ruining any chance at a future...and you may go to ultimateknicks hell. I paraphrase.
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5/18/2007  11:50 AM
Hey BONN, gun to head... you have to trade either Lee or Balkman for a mid first. Who goes, who stays?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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5/18/2007  11:51 AM
Posted by kam77:

Hey BONN, gun to head... you have to trade either Lee or Balkman for a mid first. Who goes, who stays?

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5/18/2007  12:01 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Perfect thread to illustrate how drastically draft picks are over-rated here.

Whats even funnier is most of these guys never even seen any of the projected first round picks play.

Bonn, who are these versatile first rounders you think will be available to us?
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Bonn1997
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5/18/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by RemBee76:

Perfect thread to illustrate how drastically draft picks are over-rated here.

Whats even funnier is most of these guys never even seen any of the projected first round picks play.

Bonn, who are these versatile first rounders you think will be available to us?

I wasn't talking about any one particular draft. I'm talking about drafts in general not any one specific draft. That is, would you rather each of our players or a player of the caliber that is usually taken between 13 and 17. You can go through draft histories and see what kind of versatile players have been taken in the 13 to 17 range. For example, you can compare Mardy to all of the PGs over the past 5 years taken 13 to 17.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-18-2007 12:07 PM]
Bonn1997
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5/18/2007  12:06 PM
Posted by kam77:

Hey BONN, gun to head... you have to trade either Lee or Balkman for a mid first. Who goes, who stays?
If I have to trade one, it would be Balkman (but I wouldn't actually do it) because Lee's already giving a double double off the bench and is our best player. Balkman may have more upside due to more athleticism. I really like both players and wouldn't trade either for a mid 1st rounder though
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