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Normalization of Deviance
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arkrud
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5/16/2007  12:01 PM
This is not OT: topic - it's about Knicks organization.
Found this so on point.Thoughts?

"Normalization of deviance is a long term phenomenon in which individuals or
teams repeatedly accept a lower standard of performance until that lower
standard becomes the "norm". Usually, the acceptance of the lower standard
occurs because the individual/team is under pressure (budget, schedule,
etc.) and perceives it will be too difficult to adhere to the expected
standard. Their intention may be to revert back to the higher standard when
this period of pressure passes. However, by "getting away" with the
deviation, it is likely they will do the same thing when the same stressful
circumstances arise again. Over time, the individual/team fails to see their
actions as deviant."
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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TrueBlue
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5/16/2007  12:06 PM
Where is this from?
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
Nalod
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5/16/2007  12:49 PM
Be great to have a few beers and hits of the bong and chew on that statement!

I think if you consistantly have underachievers on your team your going to have this.

Isiahs greatness was thru his physical prowess and he tries in his post playing years to replicate this by some kind of (failed) leadership.

His Indiana teams would fail at seasons end, and his knick teams are poorly constructed.

Its an iteresting observation and one that warrents application.

I think that players with losing backgrounds will accept losing easier than those who have tasted victory and accept that higher standard as the Norm.

An example of a team opposite of this is the Spurs who will not be out finessed no matter how evil they have to act to accomplish this goal.

A team in transition is the Warriors whose emotions drive them and it appears like they are all tough but in fact that patina of arrogance is actually a sign of weekness (mentally soft!). They have some nice pieces in place that could grow.

In knickland, the rotting leadership starts with a dysfuntional core owner and his immeadiate suckups and the trickle down effect would apper to be massively destructive. Evident by the Larry Brown tragity.

When you break it down, Larry, the idiotic trades, the idiotic PR rules, the idiotic money, the idiotic promises, the idiotic expections, and the idiotic manner in which it was all handled was very ineffective.

Bottom line is you got lots of dudes getting healthy checks and the process of winning is not the objective. Surviving the job tenure is.

So until someone who knows how to effectively lead people and those process', we are dammed until.

Until we stop getting overpriced csstoffs as our centerpieces we are doomed.

Ron Artest would be a perfect addition to extend this losers mentality.

Ron may be the posterboy for "normalization of Diviance".
BasketballJones
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5/16/2007  12:50 PM
No to the beer and bongs. They might make you double post.
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BasketballJones
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5/16/2007  12:50 PM
So the Knicks are deviants now? lol.
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5/16/2007  12:52 PM
^ I think you've already had enough beer and bong hits.
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BlueSeats
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5/16/2007  12:53 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Where is this from?

The Book of Bippity, Psalm 10.

tkf
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5/16/2007  1:21 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Be great to have a few beers and hits of the bong and chew on that statement!

I think if you consistantly have underachievers on your team your going to have this.

Isiahs greatness was thru his physical prowess and he tries in his post playing years to replicate this by some kind of (failed) leadership.

His Indiana teams would fail at seasons end, and his knick teams are poorly constructed.

Its an iteresting observation and one that warrents application.

I think that players with losing backgrounds will accept losing easier than those who have tasted victory and accept that higher standard as the Norm.

An example of a team opposite of this is the Spurs who will not be out finessed no matter how evil they have to act to accomplish this goal.

A team in transition is the Warriors whose emotions drive them and it appears like they are all tough but in fact that patina of arrogance is actually a sign of weekness (mentally soft!). They have some nice pieces in place that could grow.

In knickland, the rotting leadership starts with a dysfuntional core owner and his immeadiate suckups and the trickle down effect would apper to be massively destructive. Evident by the Larry Brown tragity.

When you break it down, Larry, the idiotic trades, the idiotic PR rules, the idiotic money, the idiotic promises, the idiotic expections, and the idiotic manner in which it was all handled was very ineffective.

Bottom line is you got lots of dudes getting healthy checks and the process of winning is not the objective. Surviving the job tenure is.

So until someone who knows how to effectively lead people and those process', we are dammed until.

Until we stop getting overpriced csstoffs as our centerpieces we are doomed.

Ron Artest would be a perfect addition to extend this losers mentality.

Ron may be the posterboy for "normalization of Diviance".

Seriously Nalod, I enjoy reading your post, really I do, some of the best posting I have read on any forum. Not agenda driven, fair and to the point,funny and sarcastic yet true and not filled with hatred... Kudos man...

I agree with your post, but the sad thing and the root of our problems is our owner, I mean what in the hell are we going to do about that... I guess we all can't be blessed with cuban as an owner...
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5/16/2007  1:26 PM
Dolan- having risen to the top based on birth and not ability- that is how dolan fits.

Cuban is lucky he cashed out on the dot com boom. Many people lost money- but he came out super rich. That said, he has more talent in one pinky than Dolan has in his whole body.
arkrud
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5/16/2007  1:37 PM
Dolan is a problem but not all of it.
And not the biggest part of it.
He owns Rangers and we see it can turn different by picking right people to run the team and let them go on their own.
Isiah is the big part of the problem as he is "do" man and what he is doing is sh...t
Dolan is ignorant and stupid but after load of sh...t will stink bad enough for long time he will move on.
Sooner or later. Matter of time

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5/16/2007  1:44 PM
Blame it on karma like I do, lol.

The stuff you guys come up with is crazy. I think you guys have thrown put the beer mugs and bongs a long time ago and are now making chiba and beer stir fry.
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5/16/2007  1:47 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Blame it on karma like I do, lol.

The stuff you guys come up with is crazy. I think you guys have thrown put the beer mugs and bongs a long time ago and are now making chiba and beer stir fry.

Only $9.95 at TGI Friday's. ;)

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arkrud
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5/16/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Blame it on karma like I do, lol.

The stuff you guys come up with is crazy. I think you guys have thrown put the beer mugs and bongs a long time ago and are now making chiba and beer stir fry.

Which position Mr. Karma has at MSG?
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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5/16/2007  5:37 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Nalod:

Be great to have a few beers and hits of the bong and chew on that statement!

I think if you consistantly have underachievers on your team your going to have this.

Isiahs greatness was thru his physical prowess and he tries in his post playing years to replicate this by some kind of (failed) leadership.

His Indiana teams would fail at seasons end, and his knick teams are poorly constructed.

Its an iteresting observation and one that warrents application.

I think that players with losing backgrounds will accept losing easier than those who have tasted victory and accept that higher standard as the Norm.

An example of a team opposite of this is the Spurs who will not be out finessed no matter how evil they have to act to accomplish this goal.

A team in transition is the Warriors whose emotions drive them and it appears like they are all tough but in fact that patina of arrogance is actually a sign of weekness (mentally soft!). They have some nice pieces in place that could grow.

In knickland, the rotting leadership starts with a dysfuntional core owner and his immeadiate suckups and the trickle down effect would apper to be massively destructive. Evident by the Larry Brown tragity.

When you break it down, Larry, the idiotic trades, the idiotic PR rules, the idiotic money, the idiotic promises, the idiotic expections, and the idiotic manner in which it was all handled was very ineffective.

Bottom line is you got lots of dudes getting healthy checks and the process of winning is not the objective. Surviving the job tenure is.

So until someone who knows how to effectively lead people and those process', we are dammed until.

Until we stop getting overpriced csstoffs as our centerpieces we are doomed.

Ron Artest would be a perfect addition to extend this losers mentality.

Ron may be the posterboy for "normalization of Diviance".

Seriously Nalod, I enjoy reading your post, really I do, some of the best posting I have read on any forum. Not agenda driven, fair and to the point,funny and sarcastic yet true and not filled with hatred... Kudos man...

I agree with your post, but the sad thing and the root of our problems is our owner, I mean what in the hell are we going to do about that... I guess we all can't be blessed with cuban as an owner...

If you like the direction of our team, why would you be upset with the owner?
tkf
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5/17/2007  11:05 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Nalod:

Be great to have a few beers and hits of the bong and chew on that statement!

I think if you consistantly have underachievers on your team your going to have this.

Isiahs greatness was thru his physical prowess and he tries in his post playing years to replicate this by some kind of (failed) leadership.

His Indiana teams would fail at seasons end, and his knick teams are poorly constructed.

Its an iteresting observation and one that warrents application.

I think that players with losing backgrounds will accept losing easier than those who have tasted victory and accept that higher standard as the Norm.

An example of a team opposite of this is the Spurs who will not be out finessed no matter how evil they have to act to accomplish this goal.

A team in transition is the Warriors whose emotions drive them and it appears like they are all tough but in fact that patina of arrogance is actually a sign of weekness (mentally soft!). They have some nice pieces in place that could grow.

In knickland, the rotting leadership starts with a dysfuntional core owner and his immeadiate suckups and the trickle down effect would apper to be massively destructive. Evident by the Larry Brown tragity.

When you break it down, Larry, the idiotic trades, the idiotic PR rules, the idiotic money, the idiotic promises, the idiotic expections, and the idiotic manner in which it was all handled was very ineffective.

Bottom line is you got lots of dudes getting healthy checks and the process of winning is not the objective. Surviving the job tenure is.

So until someone who knows how to effectively lead people and those process', we are dammed until.

Until we stop getting overpriced csstoffs as our centerpieces we are doomed.

Ron Artest would be a perfect addition to extend this losers mentality.

Ron may be the posterboy for "normalization of Diviance".

Seriously Nalod, I enjoy reading your post, really I do, some of the best posting I have read on any forum. Not agenda driven, fair and to the point,funny and sarcastic yet true and not filled with hatred... Kudos man...

I agree with your post, but the sad thing and the root of our problems is our owner, I mean what in the hell are we going to do about that... I guess we all can't be blessed with cuban as an owner...

If you like the direction of our team, why would you be upset with the owner?

Because despite dolans ignorance and arrogance, we have managed to fill this team with good, young players who are getting better, something we haven't had in years! And for that, I like the direction...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/17/2007  11:20 AM
Our best hope is that Isiah eventually succeeds.

Theres a team that might rebuild itself and move to brooklyn.

Might be worth a look!

Market forces might force excellence onto us.
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