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TrueBlue
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5/14/2007  10:17 PM
Will anyone be impressed?


I'm just going to get my thoughts out the way now and say I won't be.


Can we do another preliminary projected win total? I'm tentatively targeting 39wins. I'm going to use preseason play to make my final decision which I'm expecting a drop from the preliminary total. So as it stands now if the Knicks win 11 more games than my early projection I still won't be impressed, go figure.


What about everyone else?
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5/14/2007  10:21 PM
It depends on the off-season but right now I'll predict 37
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5/14/2007  10:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It depends on the off-season but right now I'll predict 37

So if the team wins 50gms and beats your early projection by 13gms you won't be impressed?
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5/14/2007  10:31 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:

It depends on the off-season but right now I'll predict 37

So if the team wins 50gms and beats your early projection by 13gms you won't be impressed?
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5/14/2007  11:34 PM
I'd be impressed and I'll kiss Isiah's ass up and down this board if they do. That's how incredibly sure I am that it won't happen.

(That sound you hear is half this board bookmarking this thread in hopes to use it against me in 11 months.)

I overrated the Knicks last year when I predicted 39 wins. So let's go with 38 next year. The Eastern Conference will be better than last year and with the depth of the lottery this year, most of those teams will be improved next year. The Knicks, with just the 23rd pick, shouldn't expect to improve much and certainly not to the extent that other teams will.

If the Knicks don't make the playoffs next season, regardless of their record, then Isiah needs to be fired immediately. Every coach Isiah has had here, has been held accountable for their poor records. Isiah has to answer for his. For once and for all and with no excuses accepted. He used every excuse in the book last year, no excuses next year.
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5/14/2007  11:38 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I'd be impressed and I'll kiss Isiah's ass up and down this board if they do. That's how incredibly sure I am that it won't happen.

(That sound you hear is half this board bookmarking this thread in hopes to use it against me in 11 months.)

I overrated the Knicks last year when I predicted 39 wins. So let's go with 38 next year. The Eastern Conference will be better than last year and with the depth of the lottery this year, most of those teams will be improved next year. The Knicks, with just the 23rd pick, shouldn't expect to improve much and certainly not to the extent that other teams will.

If the Knicks don't make the playoffs next season, regardless of their record, then Isiah needs to be fired immediately. Every coach Isiah has had here, has been held accountable for their poor records. Isiah has to answer for his. For once and for all and with no excuses accepted. He used every excuse in the book last year, no excuses next year.



Yeah you make a good point about how competitive teams will be next yr but even then 50wins is close to 49wins so I won't be impressed.
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5/14/2007  11:43 PM
It's a bit early. Maybe Isiah will make some moves that bring us some better players, who knows. I'm not prepared to predict right now.

But I would be impressed with 50 wins with this current group, yeah.
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5/14/2007  11:50 PM
I predict 39. It's probably being 20 wins too generous, but they let me down every year, so let's keep the trend going.

If they win 50 BECAUSE Ey Curry becomes a player and they actually look to have a solid future and it's not a fluke, then I will be impressed.
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5/14/2007  11:52 PM
i think a lineup of a healthy marbury, crawford, Q (i mean 75+ games), Lee and Steady Eddy should be around 45 wins

there is so much firepower there, each guy could go for 40 on any given night (with the exception of lee sometimes)

just imagine though
marbs
crawford
artest
lee
curry

bench
collins
Q
balkman
morris
javaris critterton (knicks draft pick?)

a SOLID 10 man rotation (just morris dosent get a ton of minutes)

2nd line
collins
critterton
Q
balkman
morris

thats a atheletic, fast line

they defintley ahve the talent to get it done, but will they put it together

and maybe artest will toughen up curry for us?
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5/14/2007  11:59 PM
i think a lineup of a healthy marbury, crawford, Q (i mean 75+ games), Lee and Steady Eddy should be around 45 wins
It's extremely rare for an NBA team to get 75+ games from each of their 5 starters. If your least healthy starter plays 60 to 65, I'd say you're in good shape.
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5/15/2007  12:04 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
i think a lineup of a healthy marbury, crawford, Q (i mean 75+ games), Lee and Steady Eddy should be around 45 wins
It's extremely rare for an NBA team to get 75+ games from each of their 5 starters. If your least healthy starter plays 60 to 65, I'd say you're in good shape.

Well it's incredibly unfair to judge a team unless they have near perfect health. And if they don't, you can either say that they would have won more often than they did when they were healthy or you can discount the season altogether. Or even in the most rare instances, both.
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5/15/2007  12:12 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Will anyone be impressed?


I'm just going to get my thoughts out the way now and say I won't be.


Can we do another preliminary projected win total? I'm tentatively targeting 39wins. I'm going to use preseason play to make my final decision which I'm expecting a drop from the preliminary total. So as it stands now if the Knicks win 11 more games than my early projection I still won't be impressed, go figure.


What about everyone else?

I don't get what you're saying. You wouldn't be impressed because you think they have 50 win talent so we should expect that of them, or 50 win teams in general don't impress you, or even if we win 50 you'll expect us to suck again the following year?

I'm just fishing cause I don't get the point.
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5/15/2007  12:19 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Will anyone be impressed?


I'm just going to get my thoughts out the way now and say I won't be.


Can we do another preliminary projected win total? I'm tentatively targeting 39wins. I'm going to use preseason play to make my final decision which I'm expecting a drop from the preliminary total. So as it stands now if the Knicks win 11 more games than my early projection I still won't be impressed, go figure.


What about everyone else?

I don't get what you're saying. You wouldn't be impressed because you think they have 50 win talent so we should expect that of them, or 50 win teams in general don't impress you, or even if we win 50 you'll expect us to suck again the following year?

I'm just fishing cause I don't get the point.

I think he is hinting at this board's apparent disgust with Chicago's 49 win season.
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5/15/2007  12:26 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Will anyone be impressed?


I'm just going to get my thoughts out the way now and say I won't be.


Can we do another preliminary projected win total? I'm tentatively targeting 39wins. I'm going to use preseason play to make my final decision which I'm expecting a drop from the preliminary total. So as it stands now if the Knicks win 11 more games than my early projection I still won't be impressed, go figure.


What about everyone else?

I don't get what you're saying. You wouldn't be impressed because you think they have 50 win talent so we should expect that of them, or 50 win teams in general don't impress you, or even if we win 50 you'll expect us to suck again the following year?

I'm just fishing cause I don't get the point.

I think he is hinting at this board's apparent disgust with Chicago's 49 win season.


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5/15/2007  12:39 AM
Q playing 75+ games is just unrealistic. he's done that once in the lats 5 years. lets do some research before making unrealistic and bogus claims.

that being said, can ppl stop pretending that injuries didn't hit at a bad point? when crawford, then lee, then Q, then balkman go down in succession as you're starting to win (over 500 record in feb, won 3 of first 4 in march, winning % improved every month) CAN AFFECT the team. stop pretending it doesnt or that every team.

and to guess the amount of wins before anything happens in the offseason is an exercise futility. lets wait and see what happens.
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Posted by BigSm00th:

Q playing 75+ games is just unrealistic. he's done that once in the lats 5 years. lets do some research before making unrealistic and bogus claims.

that being said, can ppl stop pretending that injuries didn't hit at a bad point? when crawford, then lee, then Q, then balkman go down in succession as you're starting to win (over 500 record in feb, won 3 of first 4 in march, winning % improved every month) CAN AFFECT the team. stop pretending it doesnt or that every team.

and to guess the amount of wins before anything happens in the offseason is an exercise futility. lets wait and see what happens.

I dunno, can people stop pretending that playing 27 out of 35 games against teams with sub .500 records, wasn't the reason why the Knicks were playing around .500 ball during that period? And that the tougher schedule in their last 20 games was the reason why they came back to earth and missed the playoffs.
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5/15/2007  12:53 AM
50 wins... WOW
This will be bigger miracle that Iraq democracy.
I will be impressed... Definitely...


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5/15/2007  12:59 AM
The Knicks were 4-3 against playoff teams in February and beat Toronto, Washington, and Golden State in early March before Crawford (aka the best playmaker on the team) and then Lee (leading rebounder on the team and top 5 in the NBA) went down. FYI both of those guys are good.
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5/15/2007  1:48 AM
Miami was playing without Wade and just got Shaq back.

2 wins against a slumping Orlando team that barely made the playoffs and did nothing in them.

The Warriors were 26-33 at the time and playing without Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes.

The Washington game was the miracle 3 by Francis to win it. Which let to Dolan soiling himself and extending Isiah while the getting was good.

I never said the Knicks didn't have any wins against playoff teams in that stretch, just that they had a ridiculously easy schedule during that time with 27 of 35 games against teams that had below .500 records going into the game. Certainly that's a big reason why they played .500 ball during that period.

Ok, continue to ignore it.
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5/15/2007  2:09 AM
isles you are REDUNDANT.

you are ignoring your very own "reasoning." you said the knicks had a "tougher schedule in their last 20 games" and that this "was the reason why they came back to earth and missed the playoffs."

well, isles, they played that stretch of games without crawford (once again, continue to IGNORE he was the team's best playmaker), lee (once again, continue to IGNORE he was the best rebounder in the conference), Q (once again, continue to IGNORE he was the 2nd best rebounder and the BEST SHOOTER on the team), balkman (developed into a double-double threat once isiah pulled his head out of his ass and stopped playing coward jeffries), and even marbury was out for a brief bit at the end of the year. so they played a tougher schedule at the end of the year without, at times, 5 of their top 8 players. and the injuries are just an exaggeration. every team goes through the toughest stretch of the year trying to make the playoffs in the last month without 5 of their top 8 guys. WHAT?!?! you are ignoring the fact that they didn't have their best players. ok fair enough.

YOU continue to ignore good wins. we won 2 games against a playoff team (orlando) which you then write off b/c they "did nothing in the playoffs." who cares! the mavs did nothing in the playoffs, so are wins against them nullified? the knicks still beat a team that eventually made the playoffs, TWICE, while both were competiting for the SAME PLAYOFF SPOT. these were important games, and the knicks won them.

they beat washington on a "miracle." ok, fair enough. you continue to IGNORE that washington had ARENAS, BUTLER, AND JAMISON healthy in this game. they were healthy for the first time in weeks, at home, and they LOST to the knicks (minus crawford, lee, Q aka 3/5 of the starting 5). this game MOVED THE KNICKS into the playoffs. both teams needed this game and the knicks won without 3 of their best players and the other team at full health.

who is ignoring what? you are ignoring facts bro. the knicks did lose a lot at the end of the season when the schedule was tough, but when 3 of the starting 5 are out and the guy who turns out to be one of the best energy guys in the league off the bench in balkman is also out, why is this so shocking?

and lets not say im ignoring things like they lost at the end of the year to good teams (fact, i did not ignore this) when you are ignoring much more valid, fundamental, and important points.
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