I just wanted to state that after watching these playoffs, Marbury is a better player and there is no way Kirk deserved that All-Defensive team nod over him
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There's no question Marbury is better than Hinrich. If Marbury had had Hinrich's attitude and personality, he would have achieved a lot of success in his career and would be viewed very differently.
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Yeah, I would have to say that Marbury is better than Kirk. Probably not $15 million better, but still better. Marbury elevated his game this year. His improvement on defense and willingness to shift his focus on running the offense rather than scoring allowed him to play a more balanced team-oriented game. If he would have come into the season in shape, he probably would have had a great season, but it took him 20 games to really get into top condition.
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Hinrich is not a very good point guard at all, he is combo Guard. But I would still take him over marbury for chemistry, Shooting and defense. Can't teach being 6'4.
Actually it's funny that Hinrich does a good job guarding Wade, because that is pretty much the type of two guard he needs to play with.
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Hinrich is not a very good point guard at all, he is combo Guard. But I would still take him over marbury for chemistry, Shooting and defense. Can't teach being 6'4.
Actually it's funny that Hinrich does a good job guarding Wade, because that is pretty much the type of two guard he needs to play with.
[Edited by - anji on 05-13-2007 2:25 PM]
Hinrich is actually abaout 6-3 and the way they round up, he may not even be that tall. He's a good player, but he's not on Steph's Level. When Steph is playing at his best, he's several levels above Hinrich. Hinrich is in a good situation, with the Bulls guard oriented offense. Steph would likely do very well in that kind of system. This year Steph did a good job of adjusting to the role he needs to play on this team. If he can keep that up and if they cut down on his minutes, he can be a very valuable player for this team.
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Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.
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Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.
Well right now you would, cuz Steph is old, but that goes without saying. The thing is that if you're talking about having a guy for one playoff run and who could potentially help you most, i'd still take Steph. In a pinch Steph is capable of much more than Hinrich. Steph's high end is much higher and if all else fails he's capable of taking over a game.
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Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.
Well right now you would, cuz Steph is old, but that goes without saying. The thing is that if you're talking about having a guy for one playoff run and who could potentially help you most, i'd still take Steph. In a pinch Steph is capable of much more than Hinrich. Steph's high end is much higher and if all else fails he's capable of taking over a game.
Damn you said everything I wanted to say.....again.
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Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.
Well right now you would, cuz Steph is old, but that goes without saying. The thing is that if you're talking about having a guy for one playoff run and who could potentially help you most, i'd still take Steph. In a pinch Steph is capable of much more than Hinrich. Steph's high end is much higher and if all else fails he's capable of taking over a game.
Damn you said everything I wanted to say.....again.
Sorry bro... I guess great minds think alike. It's funny how Solace had to refer to Steph as Cancerbury. You would think that after this season he could simply give the guy credit for being a GOOD influence for most of the year. He was a good example of what we need players to be. Played hard on D and unselfish on O. What else could you ask for?
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Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.
Really...You want Hinrich at 11 mil per starting next year when Marbs rolls off the books in another two...I must be insane....
actually, $11 mil is the peak value of his contract, which then decreases every year thereafter.
07/08 $11 age 26 08/09 $10 age 27 09/10 $9.5 age 28 10/11 $9 age 29 11/12 $8 age 30
that's not a bad way to structure a contract. ben wallace's deal decreases over time also (at about $500,000 per year).
[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-13-2007 5:46 PM]
Call me a homer or a lover but with playing time, Marty Collins will give you what Hinrich does in another year or so...Maybe more at the much better price...
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Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.
Really...You want Hinrich at 11 mil per starting next year when Marbs rolls off the books in another two...I must be insane....
actually, $11 mil is the peak value of his contract, which then decreases every year thereafter.
07/08 $11 age 26 08/09 $10 age 27 09/10 $9.5 age 28 10/11 $9 age 29 11/12 $8 age 30
that's not a bad way to structure a contract. ben wallace's deal decreases over time also (at about $500,000 per year).
[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-13-2007 5:46 PM]
Call me a homer or a lover but with playing time, Marty Collins will give you what Hinrich does in another year or so...Maybe more at the much better price...
if mardy plays like hinrich, then the first year he's up for eligibility (after 2 seasons), isiah will re-sign him to $70 mil.
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That could be true..... Really not a bad way to structure their contracts...Makes them tradable later in their careers...While freeing up salary space for the unforseen future(free agents)...
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Maybe, but I wouldn't hestitate for a second in trading Cancerbury for Hinrich. Nor would anyone sane on this board. Period.
Well right now you would, cuz Steph is old, but that goes without saying. The thing is that if you're talking about having a guy for one playoff run and who could potentially help you most, i'd still take Steph. In a pinch Steph is capable of much more than Hinrich. Steph's high end is much higher and if all else fails he's capable of taking over a game.
Damn you said everything I wanted to say.....again.
Sorry bro... I guess great minds think alike. It's funny how Solace had to refer to Steph as Cancerbury. You would think that after this season he could simply give the guy credit for being a GOOD influence for most of the year. He was a good example of what we need players to be. Played hard on D and unselfish on O. What else could you ask for?
Wins???? I'm not even talking about titles or confernce semis, we are hopping for a win the first round playoffs. Just One game!!!!!
LOL, again you can say what you believe you can get out of marbury, 10 seasons says it is rarely "capable" of getting you wins and almost never added up to anything postive at all.
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There's no question Marbury is better than Hinrich. If Marbury had had Hinrich's attitude and personality, he would have achieved a lot of success in his career and would be viewed very differently.
Yeah' unfortunately, attitude means a lot. I wish someone would have told him that years ago and I wish someone would tell Nate that now.
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.. Really not a bad way to structure their contracts...Makes them tradable later in their careers...While freeing up salary space for the unforseen future(free agents)...