So Curry would have to be (say) a 24 ppg scorer with 1.5 blks and 10 rebs per with only 1.5 turnovers for you to change your mind about him?

Well, you are putting yourself in a pretty safe position, aren't you? A ridiculous one, but safe.

this has got to happen to make that investment stick.

Here-in lays the problem. No, Curry does not have to become Patrick F'ing Ewing to make the investment stick. There are plenty of teams that have taken dips in the lottery without ever picking up a franchise player that even approaches those stats, including the team we sent those picks to, the Chicago Bulls. Barring a disaster that has the Bulls winning the lottery, those picks are being vastly overrated.

This isn't to say we may not have over-paid for Curry. I said as much on the day the trade was announced. But now that he is a Knick, that is irrelevant.

What does he have to do to justify the trade? Cutting down on the Offensive Fouls while committing more Defensive Fouls would be a start. Getting over a block per, with over 8 rebs and 2 assists would as well. Improve the free-throw shooting and he is already a 20ppg guy and with those other stats he is an all-star. Yes, that would justify the trade for me.

But it’s also on Isiah to justify the trade by putting the players and system around Curry. Will Curry ever be a Patrick Ewing, someone strong enough to carry a whole team on his back for a decade? Even Curry's most ardent supporters aren't saying that. But he can be a key player in a tandem of talents that feed off of his game, so it’s up to Isiah to put that in place.

That’s what the Knicks have to do to justify the trade, likely changing peoples minds about Curry in the process.

Posted by 4949:

For me, he not only has to increase his points a game, but he has to get anywhere from one to one and a half blocks a game and increase his rebounds to around 9 or ten a game. His defense is going to have turn around completely, as well as his turnovers, that have to decrease by at least one, maybe two a game. This is the kind of 'Monster' that people decribe this guy as going to be. Anything less, says he'll never be better than what we've seen. I know a few of you don't want to believe the investment didn't pay off, but this has got to happen to make that investment stick. Curry as I said before wold make a great back up or a great side kick to a real center.

So he has to become one of the best centers to ever play in the NBA. Yeah that's reasonable. Another great thread.

This isn't to say we may not have over-paid for Curry. I said as much on the day the trade was announced. But now that he is a Knick, that is irrelevant.

That's funny. So your requirement is that as long as he's wearing a Knicks uniform, he's okay? Regardless his weaknesses?

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by 4949:

For me, he not only has to increase his points a game, but he has to get anywhere from one to one and a half blocks a game and increase his rebounds to around 9 or ten a game. His defense is going to have turn around completely, as well as his turnovers, that have to decrease by at least one, maybe two a game. This is the kind of 'Monster' that people decribe this guy as going to be. Anything less, says he'll never be better than what we've seen. I know a few of you don't want to believe the investment didn't pay off, but this has got to happen to make that investment stick. Curry as I said before wold make a great back up or a great side kick to a real center.

So he has to become one of the best centers to ever play in the NBA. Yeah that's reasonable. Another great thread.

He has the body to be one of the best centers ever to play (if not *the* best actually) and teams have given up a lot less than we did to get great centers. So I can understand his view. I'm willing to give him credit for progress if he makes the smaller improvements I stated though.

I'm not so down on Curry. There's a certain amount of exaggeration that goes on, like when people say he "sucks". He doesn't suck, he's currently just a one-dimensional, offensive player.

It's fine if he's just as an acceptable, or above-average center, but IT's hard to forget what we gave up to get him, so I certainly hope that there's more improvement coming.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 05-13-2007 12:58]

Posted by Allanfan20:

If Curry can play a lot harder on defense and average the same number of blocks, I would be happy, b/c not everyone can be a good shotblocker, and that applies to Curry. Shotblocking is a skill. That's not just about effort.

However, I agree he needs to raise his rebound numbers and put up a stronger effort on the D. No questions.

I am not as impatient with him, in terms of his turnovers, however. I don't doubt that he'll learn the game more, as he goes, so I think his turnovers will decrease. The D and rebounding is huge though, and is the reason I'm willing to trade him.

What's the minimum offer you'd be willing to trade him for?

eddy plays alot of minutes, takes alot of shots and the offense is geared around him.

if we win, he's part of the solution.
if we don't, he's part of the problem.

everything else we talk about is just filler...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-13-2007 1:55 PM]

I'll just add that I couldn't care less if his scoring went *down* if he did all the things I mentioned in my first post

Posted by RemBee76:

Posted by djsunyc:


everything else we talk about is just filler...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-13-2007 1:55 PM]

Nonsensical. Unless you are saying that every player on a losing team can not be part of a winning team, what, exactly, are you saying?

nonsensical is how you interpreted my post.