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5/10/2007  2:16 PM
While the arguments here tend to say that we need a rebounder/shot blocker at center, I think a case can be made that those type of centers are relatively common. Howard, Okafor, Nene, Camby, Big Ben, Dalembert, Chandler.

Curry is a truly rare breed in this day and age. He's the only young offensive low-post center in the NBA right now. Heck, there are only 2 in the league (Shaq being the other - and he's more than 10 years older) today.

Given how the Knicks are constructed, I think we could have gotten into the playoffs much easier if we added one of the defensive demons instead of Curry. Throw Chandler on the Knicks instead of Curry, and we probably could have made the playoffs more easily. We could have gone for something like Chicago has done, w/ nearly all of our offense coming from the perimeter.

However, if you build around a low-post scorer, it brings balance and structure to the offense. The floor is opened more when they need to defend the post, and it makes executing on offense easier during crunch time. It's the basis of a complete basketball team... and hopefully down the road, the basis of a team that can compete and go deep into the playoffs.

There are certainly other ways to build a team, but this seems to be the direction we're going in right now.

I think we can all agree that his rebounding, shot-blocking, and defensive skills are sub-par for someone w/ his size, athleticism, and minutes. We have time on our side though. I think he can become more effective on all counts as he gains experience.
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5/10/2007  2:25 PM
playoff teams:

east:
detroit - built on defense, not built around a low post player
cavs - not built around a low post player
toronto - not built around a low post player
bulls - not built around a low post player
heat - built around a low post player and a superstar
nets - not built around a low post player
washington - not built around a low post player
orlando - built around a center, but is currently just a defensive one

west:
dallas - not built around a low post player
suns - not built around a low post player
spurs - built around a low post player who also plays defense (probably great pf ever)
rockets - built around a low post player and a star wing player
jazz - not built around a low post player
nuggets - not built around a low post player
lakers - not built around a low post player
warriors - not built around a low post player

teams that advanced:

detroit, cavs, nets, bulls - only the pistons and cavs have a low post player although they're not built around them.

warriors, suns, spurs, jazz - only the spurs are built around a low post player, although the suns and jazz have one.

this is the direction the nba is moving in. can you win if you're primary offense is built around post players like curry and zach? looks like only the spurs can get away with it right now (and they have the best pf ever). curry CAN be a part of a winning team (just like almost every nba player) but building the entire offense around him may not be the wisest of strategies.
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5/10/2007  2:38 PM
The funny thing is that Eddies offense will become more of a weapon when he starts improving his rebounding and shot blocking and overall effort level. Until then he will be just another scorer leading a mediocre team. Take away the bad passes and the offensive fouls and his post game is amongst the best in the league. But his other flaws are in the way right now. These are the things he really needs to fix. He doesn't even have to be good at them. Just be average and he becomes an all-star.
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5/10/2007  2:44 PM
I don't hate Curry as much as some, but to build around him we really need a good post feeder at PG, a more defensive oriented PF, and a deadeye perimeter shooter, and a better perimeter defender at SG.

The one position I think we're okay at is balkman at SF, He can slash, rebound, ball handle and defend.

While we have some skills at other positions I see most of them as needing to share time at their position. Never liked Marbury as a playmaker. Since Collins is tall and can defend, maybe if he can become a starting caliber PG you can move marbury to SG and get away with it. But Collins, Marbury and Balkman do NOT constitute a good perimeter shooting trio. Ditto with Q. I like what he brings but he can't be your best perimeter shooter. Nate is our best permiter player but he's too small to be a full time SG, he's not good as a PG, and he really doesn't hound the ball enough on D to make up for his other defensive liabilities.

I love Lee, but his tweener status and limited offensive range don't compensate for Eddy's deficiencies nor distinguish his game sufficiently from Balkman's.

ANyway, this is a pretty unfocused ramble, but the point is, if Eddy is our man I think we still have a lot of work to do. And if he's not our man we probably have even more work to do.

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5/10/2007  3:02 PM
Posted by technomaster:

While the arguments here tend to say that we need a rebounder/shot blocker at center, I think a case can be made that those type of centers are relatively common. Howard, Okafor, Nene, Camby, Big Ben, Dalembert, Chandler.

Curry is a truly rare breed in this day and age. He's the only young offensive low-post center in the NBA right now. Heck, there are only 2 in the league (Shaq being the other - and he's more than 10 years older) today.

Given how the Knicks are constructed, I think we could have gotten into the playoffs much easier if we added one of the defensive demons instead of Curry. Throw Chandler on the Knicks instead of Curry, and we probably could have made the playoffs more easily. We could have gone for something like Chicago has done, w/ nearly all of our offense coming from the perimeter.

However, if you build around a low-post scorer, it brings balance and structure to the offense. The floor is opened more when they need to defend the post, and it makes executing on offense easier during crunch time. It's the basis of a complete basketball team... and hopefully down the road, the basis of a team that can compete and go deep into the playoffs.

There are certainly other ways to build a team, but this seems to be the direction we're going in right now.

I think we can all agree that his rebounding, shot-blocking, and defensive skills are sub-par for someone w/ his size, athleticism, and minutes. We have time on our side though. I think he can become more effective on all counts as he gains experience.


Did Chandler make the playoffs. No he didn't. You guys are nuts Curry is the best thing to happen to the KNicks since Sprewell and H20. I don't understand why everyone is busting his nuts, the man just threw up the best season by a center since Pat Ewing. Sure he has defensive deficiencies in this day and age even Amare gets abused even Shaq gets abused. Curry went off on Ben Wallace so I really don't get what you guys are getting at. He can improve and just showed people over this year that he can. So why do you guys doubt his ability to get better. I don't get you guys trading a Curry doesn't help the KNicks it makes them worse. Stop think the grass is greener on the other side because its not. The Knicks are so F'ing close it not funny. You land pf with skills and you are talking about playoffs and the right pf with Curry you talking championships.

If Isiah wakes up one day and makes a call to McHale and make a ridiculous offer, Frye, Lee, Malik, Nate and Morris and a two future number one protected. This team will win a championship next year there is no doubt in my mind. I think the Knicks are that close.

Trading Curry is stupid this is just people wanting Isiah to fail. All you gonna get is Curry averaging 20 points for another team. I got an Idea why don't you team him up with Kobe and LeBron and watch those mofos rack up championships. Trading Curry should not even enter anyones though process right now this is a 100% downside trade.
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5/10/2007  3:08 PM
^ Above rant was ridiculous. Sorry, but that was just silly. I almost LOLed at work. Thanks for the laugh.
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5/10/2007  3:19 PM
The thing is that Since there are so few real post threats it only makes sense that many of the teams left in the playoffs dont have a guy that the team is built around. In the past tho most eventual champions have had someone who could threaten in the post.

As for our team we are already well into developing this team in the right direction. Despite all the dislike for Steph, he's still responsible for most of our best PG play. He's the one with the ball most of the time for this team and if Curry was avg'ing 20 a game Steph had something to do with feeding him the ball. It's just that we tend to focus more on the bad possessions than the ones that go right. Now we can add Mardy to that list and Jamal will be back as well. To the contrary of what some say, we're well setup for feeding the post going forward.

Q showed he can be a very reliable outside shooter and he's our one catch and shoot guy with size. From all reports he should be able to resume his career and be relatively pain free. I think adding another guy at SG/SF who can shoot like that would enhance what we do.

Lee and Balkman cover slightly different areas. Lee is bigger and can cover bigger guys. Balkman is quicker and obviously covers quicker guys and neither has fully peaked yet in terms of what they can do offensively. Lee showed growth last year and I predict he'll continue to develop.

With the next year in mind, I think we have to use just a little more vision. We didn't play this last season with the current sense of purpose that we have now and we'll start next year much more in synch. Mardy will give us much more solid play than Francis or Nate and that will be a huge improvement. Having Jamal and Q back will also make a difference.

PF is one of the biggest problem areas. I'm not sure how Jared and Frye fit into the picture. Morris is a huge question as well. Lee is the only guy I trust right now. Morris is the only guy with the tools to be the right guy next to Curry, but will he be able to give us anything right away or is he a long way off?

In the end Curry was worth the risk, cuz if we can squeeze just a bit more from him on the other end he's an ALL STAR center. One of the few who can truly dominate inside.
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5/10/2007  3:21 PM
i don't know about a champinship, i mean the only other 2 teams that have a center who can dominate on offense(rockets and heat) got bumped off in the 1st round. And their centers are 2-way players, not to mention better passers on offense. and they still lost in the 1st round. . .
So we are still not even close to being mentioned in the same sentence as a Champinship let alone playing for one
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5/10/2007  3:22 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Curry as much as some, but to build around him we really need a good post feeder at PG, a more defensive oriented PF, and a deadeye perimeter shooter, and a better perimeter defender at SG.

The one position I think we're okay at is balkman at SF, He can slash, rebound, ball handle and defend.

While we have some skills at other positions I see most of them as needing to share time at their position. Never liked Marbury as a playmaker. Since Collins is tall and can defend, maybe if he can become a starting caliber PG you can move marbury to SG and get away with it. But Collins, Marbury and Balkman do NOT constitute a good perimeter shooting trio. Ditto with Q. I like what he brings but he can't be your best perimeter shooter. Nate is our best permiter player but he's too small to be a full time SG, he's not good as a PG, and he really doesn't hound the ball enough on D to make up for his other defensive liabilities.

I love Lee, but his tweener status and limited offensive range don't compensate for Eddy's deficiencies nor distinguish his game sufficiently from Balkman's.

ANyway, this is a pretty unfocused ramble, but the point is, if Eddy is our man I think we still have a lot of work to do. And if he's not our man we probably have even more work to do.

Work, work, work... so much to do, so little to show for it.

And that should be the reason not to like Curry. You listed almost every possible need that doesn't currently exist, with him being our main man. We need so many other things to make him and the team better and that's insane. Then his attitude isn't the greatest and work ethic is very questionable, if not poor. He accepts no accountability personally. I don't care that he's gifted athletically, heck Steve Francis was and where did that get him? I don't care about his esp with Crawford. He's one of the most coddled babied supposed franchise players in the game today, which a real team doesn't need, especially this one. We already went through this with Marbury. Is he the worst player in the league nope but he's nothing to write home about either.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-10-2007 5:11 PM]
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5/10/2007  3:25 PM
I'll try address these, because I love a good rant. It's like you watch the games with blinders on, but hey, I'll bite.
Posted by Vmart:

You guys are nuts Curry is the best thing to happen to the KNicks since Sprewell and H20.

One can argue that those weren't great things to happen to the Knicks. Good players, but if not for the delusion that Spree and Houston were better than they actually were, we actually might have started rebuilding instead of going for cap hell.
Posted by Vmart:

I don't understand why everyone is busting his nuts, the man just threw up the best season by a center since Pat Ewing.

No way! Remember Marcus Camby? He had a better season than this. Remember Kurt Thomas? He had a better season than this. Those guys played that other side of the ball... you know, defense?
Posted by Vmart:

Sure he has defensive deficiencies in this day and age even Amare gets abused even Shaq gets abused.

It's the frequency of the abuse. Curry gets abused nightly.
Posted by Vmart:

Curry went off on Ben Wallace so I really don't get what you guys are getting at.

It's not a one-on-one issue. Ben Wallace isn't exactly the world's greatest offensive player. Nobody questions Curry's SINGLE strength: interior post game within 5 feet of the basket.
Posted by Vmart:

He can improve and just showed people over this year that he can. So why do you guys doubt his ability to get better. I don't get you guys trading a Curry doesn't help the KNicks it makes them worse.

Saying Curry improved this year is a matter of opinion. Per 48 minutes, Curry stayed approximately equal in most category, slightly improved in scoring, and decreased in blocking, steals, assists, etc...
Posted by Vmart:

Stop think the grass is greener on the other side because its not. The Knicks are so F'ing close it not funny. You land pf with skills and you are talking about playoffs and the right pf with Curry you talking championships.

Championships? LOFL! Dude, you're talking about Ey Curry, man. If by the right power forward, you mean Tim Duncan, then I agree. Otherwise, no way. You can't build around Curry. The Knicks are not close. The Knicks have never been further since before Pat Ewing was drafted. Break it down. Ey Curry... NOT a top 20 NBA player. Never will be. Stephon Marbury... NOT a top 20 NBA player. Never will be again. Ey Curry gives us one SINGLE advantage and hurts us in every other area. Why can't you see that?
Posted by Vmart:

If Isiah wakes up one day and makes a call to McHale and make a ridiculous offer, Frye, Lee, Malik, Nate and Morris and a two future number one protected. This team will win a championship next year there is no doubt in my mind. I think the Knicks are that close.

Ok. So, Curry, Garnett, Balkman, Crawford and Marbury is a championship team? If McHale is seriously thinking of trading Garnett, that's one thing. It's not a championship team, but it's a good team. But, if by, "we're so f'n close", you mean, "if we can successfully trade for one of the top 50 players of all time", then I think you need to readjust your definition of "so f'n close".
Posted by Vmart:

Trading Curry is stupid this is just people wanting Isiah to fail. All you gonna get is Curry averaging 20 points for another team. I got an Idea why don't you team him up with Kobe and LeBron and watch those mofos rack up championships. Trading Curry should not even enter anyones though process right now this is a 100% downside trade.

Kobe, LeBron and Curry on the same team? Sure, why not? While we're at it, why not add Duncan and Kidd to the mix?

Or do you mean Kobe and Curry on the same team? Ok, let's indulge that. The Lakers trade Bynum + whatever for Curry. Curry, Kwame, Walton, Kobe, Smush... NOPE! No championship. They still get pwned by Phoenix, San Antonio and Dallas.

LeBron and Curry on the same team. I don't even know what Cleveland could have that we'd want, but let's replace Ilgauskas with Curry. Championship? NOPE! Cleveland still loses to Detroit because they let Detroit score 110 against them every night due to the Curry factor.

Nice try, though.

So, yes, if we can only get Garnett/Jermaine O'Neal AND Ray Allen/Paul Pierce to add to our squad, then I totally think we win a championship. The odds are .0001% that they trade those guys to us.

You can't build around Curry. If you get lucky and trade for Garnett (who has REPEATEDLY said he wants to stay in Minny), you're building AROUND Garnett, not Curry. That's a different scenario.

[Edited by - Solace on May 10 2007 3:26 PM]
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5/10/2007  5:02 PM
Solace what is it that makes you think we can't build around Curry? It's not like he's gonna stop you from succeeding if you have a good team around him. Meaning you get a complimentary PF next to him and strong PG play and shooting around him. We aren't that far off if you look at the direction of this team. Just because we haven't yet reached our full potential doesn't mean we won't. With Steph, Jamal and Mardy at the point I think we'll have enough strong play at that position to make this offense work. A huge part of the improvement on D will come with an improvement on O. In particular TO's. We must cut down on those and that will cut into the easy baskets and wasted possessions we have each game. Having Balkman and Collins play more minutes will also help defensively. Right now we're playing at -2.8 point differential. We obviously must improve defensively to make any real improvement. Curry will need to help more on D, but not just him. Having a PF who also plays better help D is also going to be essential.

Curry isn't a strong rebounder, but as a TEAM we're one of the BEST. As a TEAM we can be one of the best offensive teams and even tho we won't be one of the best defensive teams we have a chance to improve enough in that area to be a strong playoff team. You have to keep some level of perspective when it comes to this team. We have a lot of players who are under 25 years of age and thus we have to allow time for them to develop. However what we need to do to improve isn't that far out of reach for this team. Even Curry himself doesn't have that far to go to be on an All Star level. 2-3 more bounds a game, a block, an assist or 2 more in addition to his scoring and he's a LOCK. IMO our areas of weakness are few and fixable. We don't necessarily have to have a KG or JO or Ray Allen or Pierce to solve the problem. We don't have to get it all done next season either. Time is on our side. We just need to keep making gradual improvement and I think we'll get to an acceptable level of play and 2 years from now we may take a more serious look at the FA market.
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5/10/2007  5:12 PM
Solace what is it that makes you think we can't build around Curry? It's not like he's gonna stop you from succeeding if you have a good team around him.
We gave up any chance of having a good team before 2015 when we gave up 7 draft picks and gave out 3 max contracts in the Curry and Marburry trades.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-10-2007 5:13 PM]
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Curry as much as some, but to build around him we really need a good post feeder at PG, a more defensive oriented PF, and a deadeye perimeter shooter, and a better perimeter defender at SG.

The one position I think we're okay at is balkman at SF, He can slash, rebound, ball handle and defend.

While we have some skills at other positions I see most of them as needing to share time at their position. Never liked Marbury as a playmaker. Since Collins is tall and can defend, maybe if he can become a starting caliber PG you can move marbury to SG and get away with it. But Collins, Marbury and Balkman do NOT constitute a good perimeter shooting trio. Ditto with Q. I like what he brings but he can't be your best perimeter shooter. Nate is our best permiter player but he's too small to be a full time SG, he's not good as a PG, and he really doesn't hound the ball enough on D to make up for his other defensive liabilities.

I love Lee, but his tweener status and limited offensive range don't compensate for Eddy's deficiencies nor distinguish his game sufficiently from Balkman's.

ANyway, this is a pretty unfocused ramble, but the point is, if Eddy is our man I think we still have a lot of work to do. And if he's not our man we probably have even more work to do.

Work, work, work... so much to do, so little to show for it.

And that should be the reason not to like Curry. You listed almost every possible need that doesn't currently exist with him being he's our main man. We need so many other things to make him and the team better and that's insane. Then his attitude isn't the greatest and work ethic is very questionable, if not poor. He accepts no accountability personally. I don't care that he's gifted athletically, heck Steve Francis was and where did that get him? I don't care about his esp with Crawford. He's one of the most coddled babied supposed franchise players in the game today, which a real team doesn't need, especially this one. We already went through this with Marbury. Is he the worst player in the league nope but he's nothing to write home about either.


I don't disagree, but some go so far as to say no one would want Curry, and that's not true. I don't even think Curry is drastically overpaid. We certainly overpaid for him by giving up two unprotected picks (one a swap) and two second rounders. No other GM would do that - that's what separates isiah from the rest of the boys - but I think other teams would be willing to pay his salary. (Unlike certain PGs on this team we'd have trouble giving away.)

So while I think several teams would welcome Curry to their squad, they wouldn't consider him a franchise player. To me he's always had a value somewhere in the ballpark of an Ilgauskas (who's a better passer, defender, rebounder and shot blocker). A useful player: sometimes, and in some minds, a borderline all-star, a guy who can win a couple of quarters for you, but by no means a guy who can carry a franchise. All anyone need do is look at Cleveland's records before Lebron came to see Iliguaskas' impact on wins.

Do I think Ilgauskas is garbage? No. But nor would I pin my hopes and dreams for our future on him if we had him. Cleveland bottomed out at 17 games with Ilgauskas starting 81 games in his prime. Good thing too, cause it got them Lebron. Good thing for them their GM didn't think they wouldn't need lottery picks with a center like Ilgauskas.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Curry as much as some, but to build around him we really need a good post feeder at PG, a more defensive oriented PF, and a deadeye perimeter shooter, and a better perimeter defender at SG.

The one position I think we're okay at is balkman at SF, He can slash, rebound, ball handle and defend.

While we have some skills at other positions I see most of them as needing to share time at their position. Never liked Marbury as a playmaker. Since Collins is tall and can defend, maybe if he can become a starting caliber PG you can move marbury to SG and get away with it. But Collins, Marbury and Balkman do NOT constitute a good perimeter shooting trio. Ditto with Q. I like what he brings but he can't be your best perimeter shooter. Nate is our best permiter player but he's too small to be a full time SG, he's not good as a PG, and he really doesn't hound the ball enough on D to make up for his other defensive liabilities.

I love Lee, but his tweener status and limited offensive range don't compensate for Eddy's deficiencies nor distinguish his game sufficiently from Balkman's.

ANyway, this is a pretty unfocused ramble, but the point is, if Eddy is our man I think we still have a lot of work to do. And if he's not our man we probably have even more work to do.

Work, work, work... so much to do, so little to show for it.

And that should be the reason not to like Curry. You listed almost every possible need that doesn't currently exist with him being he's our main man. We need so many other things to make him and the team better and that's insane. Then his attitude isn't the greatest and work ethic is very questionable, if not poor. He accepts no accountability personally. I don't care that he's gifted athletically, heck Steve Francis was and where did that get him? I don't care about his esp with Crawford. He's one of the most coddled babied supposed franchise players in the game today, which a real team doesn't need, especially this one. We already went through this with Marbury. Is he the worst player in the league nope but he's nothing to write home about either.


I don't disagree, but some go so far as to say no one would want Curry, and that's not true. I don't even think Curry is drastically overpaid. We certainly overpaid for him by giving up two unprotected picks (one a swap) and two second rounders. No other GM would do that - that's what separates isiah from the rest of the boys - but I think other teams would be willing to pay his salary. (Unlike certain PGs on this team we'd have trouble giving away.)

So while I think several teams would welcome Curry to their squad, they wouldn't consider him a franchise player. To me he's always had a value somewhere in the ballpark of an Ilgauskas (who's a better passer, defender, rebounder and shot blocker). A useful player: sometimes, and in some minds, a borderline all-star, a guy who can win a couple of quarters for you, but by no means a guy who can carry a franchise. All anyone need do is look at Cleveland's records before Lebron came to see Iliguaskas' impact on wins.

Do I think Ilgauskas is garbage? No. But nor would I pin my hopes and dreams for our future on him if we had him. Cleveland bottomed out at 17 games with Ilgauskas starting 81 games in his prime. Good thing too, cause it got them Lebron. Good thing for them their GM didn't think they wouldn't need lottery picks with a center like Ilgauskas.
Big Z is a decent comparison. I think Z is better overall, but it's at least a fair comparison. Would you give up even one lottery pick for Big Z?
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5/10/2007  5:33 PM
Right now we're playing at -2.8 point differential.
It's actually only -1.1 when Curry is OFF the court, but that # gets a lot worse when he's ON the court.
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5/10/2007  5:39 PM
he's not currently a franchise player, but he will be very soon.
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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Posted by BlueSeats:

I don't hate Curry as much as some, but to build around him we really need a good post feeder at PG, a more defensive oriented PF, and a deadeye perimeter shooter, and a better perimeter defender at SG.

I just feel that looking at the young team as it is, they have an upside and all of those needs addressed are filled by players younger than 26 and/or have less than 3 years of NBA experience.

a good post feeder at PG - Mardy Collins
more defensive oriented PF - David Lee (if rebounds count, book is still out on Randolph Morris)
a deadeye perimeter shooter - Qrich was shaping up to be that guy, maybe someone from the draft?
a better perimeter defender at SG - I'd say Qrich, but I already used the Qrich card.

I think what you are listing are things needed to become a contender for a title.

These are the babyknicks...in time, all those other 4 criteria will be filled (1 or 2 open IMO) and we have successfully BUILT around Curry.

But if we are looking at the current BabyKnicks, than we are not there yet.

the bulls are getting swept out the second round...makes me think they aren't that much closer either.
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5/10/2007  5:48 PM
also, I still think jeffries busted wrist on his shooting hand, the brawl and the new york bright lights (he's an indiana boy) contributed to his misery this year, but defensively, he was coming along, and as far as the little things...once again, he was coming along.

I didn't mention balkman (perimeter defender, shot blocker) or Nate (as dead eye as you can get from the perimeter when left open).

Watching the roster round into shape, we are well on our way.

Curry is a great player to build around if you compliment him with players to fill in where he is deficient.

Rebounding and shot blocking and hustle.

the knicks roster (franchise and jerome james excluded) with those players...well, maybe not shot blocking :)
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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5/10/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

he's not currently a franchise player, but he will be very soon.



I'm not sure which is more credible
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5/10/2007  7:14 PM
Eddy Curry vs. Zydrunas Ilgauskas Head-to-head: 2007

23pts on 56% shooting (28-50) 6.5 rebs vs. 12.5pts on 44% shooting (19-43) 7.0 rebs

I could see how that rebounding advantage could tip the balance.

or not.





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