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5/9/2007  11:19 AM
So what are you trying to say?
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5/9/2007  11:27 AM
TB, those are the statistics for blocks in the post-season, so naturally each of those teams made the playoffs.

The Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Grizz, 6ers and Celtics were all in the top 16 in blocks and did not make the post-season.

Just splitting hairs on your straw man. I don't know anyone who doesn't think this team needs more of a shot-blocking presence up front.
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5/9/2007  11:35 AM
I clicked the wrong link it's from the post season delete thread if necessary


Here's the actual stats for the REGULAR SEASON


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=teamstatmisc&sort=
blks&order=true&league=nba&avg=pg&qual=true&seasontype=2&pos=&season=2007


10 of the 16 teams that made the playoffs are on the list



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-09-2007 10:47 AM]
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5/9/2007  11:54 AM
A lot goes into getting wins and making the playoffs, like having an Offense. It might be more accurate to do a study on the correlation between shot-blocking and team defense (measured by opponents fg% as well as points against).

It's one thing to say Shot-Blocking as a stat is over-rated, which is a position that might be defendable and another to say interior defense (like altering shots, drawing charges, help D) is over-rated, which is a position which you can not defend.

Look at the Clippers. Top of the league in blocks, fairly middle of the road in over-all defense statistics. And no, they didn't make the playoffs.
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5/9/2007  12:04 PM
I think Point Differential is probably a greater indicator of a play off vs. non play off team.

Better stats to look at turn overs and rebounding.

I suspect if we had had less turn overs, and more assists, we'd have made the play offs this year- big ifs.

But you see, amongst everything, that rebounding is important- you watch GS & the Suns get pushed around and loose.

That is one small glimmer for us as a team.
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5/9/2007  12:07 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

A lot goes into getting wins and making the playoffs, like having an Offense. It might be more accurate to do a study on the correlation between shot-blocking and team defense (measured by opponents fg% as well as points against).

It's one thing to say Shot-Blocking as a stat is over-rated, which is a position that might be defendable and another to say interior defense (like altering shots, drawing charges, help D) is over-rated, which is a position which you can not defend.

Look at the Clippers. Top of the league in blocks, fairly middle of the road in over-all defense statistics. And no, they didn't make the playoffs.


Yes there is a point that you can't say if a team has shotblocking then all defensive problems solved but at the same time majority/stats rule. I goofed pretty bad with the initial post and was trying to edit it but found the previous season 2005-2006 10 of 16 teams that lead the league made the playoffs. In 2004-2005 the same. In 2003-2004 9 were playoff teams 1 of them being believe it or not was the Knicks.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-09-2007 11:10 AM]
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5/9/2007  12:08 PM
Rebounding is very important. Ask the Nets, they're on the brink of getting swept because of this.
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5/9/2007  12:11 PM
Guys I thought we had this figured out. But apparently I have to get back into my preaching phase until we get it. The key to winning is having the most balanced team. The teams with the least weaknesses compete for the titles. Without balance any good coach can exploit you.
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balance, balance, balance!!!!!!!!!!!
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5/9/2007  12:14 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Rebounding is very important. Ask the Nets, they're on the brink of getting swept because of this.

Our team does a very decent job at rebounding. Our turnovers and shot blocking are very very very bad.
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5/9/2007  12:20 PM
5th in Total rebounding, 2nd in Offensive rebounds and 1st in Rebounding differential.

Far better than a decent job of rebounding, I'd say.

But this thread is about shot-blocking and (I assume) Isiah's statement that it is over-rated. I think the intention there was to say that shot-blocking as a statistic is over-rated. Certainly, if it is the only thing you are using to measure a team's ability to defend the interior you will be off. But it is a good place to start.
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5/9/2007  12:25 PM
The problem isn't that we don't block shots. The problem is that we don't block shots, draw charges or defend the perimeter.
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5/9/2007  12:28 PM
Zactly.
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5/9/2007  12:29 PM
The Hawks are 5th in block shots. While the Mavs are at 12 and the Suns are 14. Not to mention the Jazz are ranked at 22 and the Rockets are also ranked in the 20's.
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Posted by RemBee76:

5th in Total rebounding, 2nd in Offensive rebounds and 1st in Rebounding differential.

Far better than a decent job of rebounding, I'd say.

But this thread is about shot-blocking and (I assume) Isiah's statement that it is over-rated. I think the intention there was to say that shot-blocking as a statistic is over-rated. Certainly, if it is the only thing you are using to measure a team's ability to defend the interior you will be off. But it is a good place to start.


I said very decent.

While we're talking this team only avg 1.9reb more/gm vs last season. We were 5th this yr and 13th last season. Shot blocking plays a huge factor into lowering an opponents FG% and those who do are usually amongst the playoff teams. Once again the last time we were in the Playoff we were amongst the Top 16 teams in Shot Blocking.....16th in Shot Blocking, 14th in rebounding, and 11th in OPP FG%
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5/9/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by BigC:

The Hawks are 5th in block shots. While the Mavs are at 12 and the Suns are 14. Not to mention the Jazz are ranked at 22 and the Rockets are also ranked in the 20's.

Thank you!

This thread can now be closed.


Except, I think you might see a championship between Detroit and San Antonio- and I believe they are probably up there in shots blocked- I'm I reading this right that Detroit is #1 and San Antonio #10?

Ergo, if they meet in the finals, Detroit wins.
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