whats so frightening about it, do we have a better option waiting in the wings to take over?

Posted by Killa4luv:

whats so frightening about it, do we have a better option waiting in the wings to take over?

Yes! Mardy even with his Hitch.

The best thing to do if we aren't trading him is to let his contract expire. Of course if we would have just drafted Williams or not traded 2 unprotected first rounders we'd have a legit shot at Conley who is Chris Paul 2.0 in the making and not have to stress over this. But what actually transpires after this happens is going to be equaling as frightening if the Bulls land the #1 or #2 pick.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-02-2007 1:28 PM]

I don't believe that Isiah wouldn't eventually play Mardy more mins than Steph if his level of play warrants that. Right now Steph is still the leader of this team and he should start. Mardy can continue to develop his game with very little pressure.

Steph will get an extension if he is able to play at a high enough level to help us but I don't see them giving him an extension this early. Steph wants to be here, but I don't see him "demanding" to get an extension. I'm sure he'll want one, but since he's a large part of the cap problem, I believe he already knows that he's gonna have to wait to negotiate any extension. It could be that Isiah has already told Steph what he plans to do about his extension. In either event I don't see why we should be worried about that should it happen. The guys can still play at a high level.

Posted by Queeniepop:

If Stephon Marbury is extended and there is no success to warrant it, like actually getting in to the playoffs, possibly having a winning record and such- NO SUCH EXTENSION WILL TAKE PLACE.

If Marbury was smart, he'd do what all of the other "has beens" do...take a lower salary and go to a team with championship aspirations.

Nix...amazing, you make it like some of our younger guys are the second-coming, yet you'd want Marbs to be extended and take their valuable playing time away. The future of this team is not Stephon Marbury, sorry.

Plus, I also think if Isiah is not successful next year- which means getting in to the playoffs, I think HE IS A GONER. Go get that box of kleenex Nix, because you'll be bidding a tearful adieu to your boi boi Zeke and his lackey Marbury. And get a clue, if you really love Zeke, you'd know...ISIAH IS THE LEADER OF THIS TEAM, not Marbury...he said it himself.

And sorry to rain on your parade some more...Mardy Collins will see burn next year but I highly doubt its as much as you think. Zeke wants to win and I am pretty sure Mardy-minutes will be no more than 10-12 per night.

What is it with some of you guys and the aggressive nature of your responses to my posts. What's with all the attacking. I didn't attack you, I merely gave my perspective.

I NEVER have held out any of our young players as the next coming and i'd LOVE for you to find an instance where I said anything like that. Mardy reminds me of Derek Harper and if he's lucky he'll reach that level. From what i've seen of him he looks like he's got a chance to be pretty good. Me liking our young players and their chances to develop is far different from saying that they're gonna be stars, which I certainly never did. I Grow tired of you and so many others around here putting words in my mouth. Let's just stick to the subject at hand.

Perhaps Mardy will only see 10-12 minutes a game, maybe he plays well and get's a few more. That's not our of line with what i'm saying in the least. My comments about Mardy one day playing more minutes than Steph are obviously pointing to the future when Steph is winding down, certainly not next season.

With regard to Isiah being successful next season, let's just wait and see what happens this summer.

Posted by Killa4luv:

whats so frightening about it, do we have a better option waiting in the wings to take over?

We don't have a better option. That is exactly what is so frightening!

Posted by Killa4luv:

whats so frightening about it, do we have a better option waiting in the wings to take over?

gee I don't know ... since Isaih gave the whole NBA our draft picks except next year and since the Knicks will stink up the joint, they might as well tank and take their chances on drafting either Rose or Mayo for PG and getting rid of big head and his shoes outta NY

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

What is it with some of you guys and the aggressive nature of your responses to my posts. What's with all the attacking. I didn't attack you, I merely gave my perspective.

I think it's because you're so maddeningly optimistic, even when there's absolutely no apparent reason to be.

There isn't a single thing that you would find reason to be negative about the Knicks. If the Knicks went 0-82, you'd call it a great learning experience. People who want to be realistic about the Knicks situation and judge certain situations objectively, like Marbury's inevitable extension request, get annoyed with pollyanish thinking. You seem to think that it's a great situation no matter what.

What's so pollyanna about what I said regarding Steph? Right now he showed that he can play team ball and defend and if need be he can still explode offensively if needed. It's not about him, it's about the continued development of the rest of the roster. When each of these guys reaches the level where they can execute their role on a high level then the things Steph already does will be magnified. For example, right now the great things that a guy like KG does is often wasted on a bad team. The same goes for MANY other star level players. However if you put that same guy on a team that has players who can make the most of what they do, then all of a sudden the stars value is enhanced. It's my contention that we should simply continue to develop the team and I believe that just like Nash and Kidd who are both several years older than Steph and also have nagging health problems, Steph will still be able to help this team. The important task right now is to improve the REST of the team.

Steph was one of our best defenders and passers this year. When needed he could also be one of our best scorers. I fail to see where it's his fault that so many of our guys simply couldn't finish off plays. Is he perfect, no, but then few players are. He good enough to win games with if you have a team that can execute and that's what we're trying to build here. Let the man finish his career and let his minutes be determined by his level of play. Isiah has proven that he is not above doing that with any of the players on this team EVEN STEPH. So if his skills decline, he'll play less. Still a less than 100% Steph is a heck of a lot of player as we've just seen.

Something you need to understand very quickly and stop doing immediately is giving "AT A BOYS" to players/team who should be doing things by default. I'm sick of the fans who all season said stuff like "Man Steph's been a Trooper he's playing D, he changed his tune, running the offense the coach wants, and playing injured". That his FREAKIN JOB NITWITS!

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

What is it with some of you guys and the aggressive nature of your responses to my posts. What's with all the attacking. I didn't attack you, I merely gave my perspective.

I think it's because you're so maddeningly optimistic, even when there's absolutely no apparent reason to be.

There isn't a single thing that you would find reason to be negative about the Knicks. If the Knicks went 0-82, you'd call it a great learning experience. People who want to be realistic about the Knicks situation and judge certain situations objectively, like Marbury's inevitable extension request, get annoyed with pollyanish thinking. You seem to think that it's a great situation no matter what.

What's so pollyanna about what I said regarding Steph? Right now he showed that he can play team ball and defend and if need be he can still explode offensively if needed. It's not about him, it's about the continued development of the rest of the roster. When each of these guys reaches the level where they can execute their role on a high level then the things Steph already does will be magnified. For example, right now the great things that a guy like KG does is often wasted on a bad team. The same goes for MANY other star level players. However if you put that same guy on a team that has players who can make the most of what they do, then all of a sudden the stars value is enhanced. It's my contention that we should simply continue to develop the team and I believe that just like Nash and Kidd who are both several years older than Steph and also have nagging health problems, Steph will still be able to help this team. The important task right now is to improve the REST of the team.

Steph was one of our best defenders and passers this year. When needed he could also be one of our best scorers. I fail to see where it's his fault that so many of our guys simply couldn't finish off plays. Is he perfect, no, but then few players are. He good enough to win games with if you have a team that can execute and that's what we're trying to build here. Let the man finish his career and let his minutes be determined by his level of play. Isiah has proven that he is not above doing that with any of the players on this team EVEN STEPH. So if his skills decline, he'll play less. Still a less than 100% Steph is a heck of a lot of player as we've just seen.

Something you need to understand very quickly and stop doing immediately is giving "AT A BOYS" to players/team who should be doing things by default. I'm sick of the fans who all season said stuff like "Man Steph's been a Trooper he's playing D, he changed his tune, running the offense the coach wants, and playing injured". That his FREAKIN JOB NITWITS!

Yes and all we're saying is that it was good to see that happening. What is wrong with that? If he continues to play like that and the rest of the team develops around him, we'll see this team win more games. He can't do it alone. We have to get better execution from the rest of the team.

You know full well what the other players have and haven't done. Regardless of what he does, THEY MUST execute their roles for this to work. That goes for ANY TEAM, so I don't really understand what the point is of blaming one guy when CLEARLY its a TEAM issue. We don't have many COMPLETE players and right now he's the closest thing we have to that on this team. He showed that he can play both ends of the court well enough for his position, but now it's up to the rest of the team to step up their games too. Frye plays up to his potential this season and things may have been better. You can say the same for a few other guys and that's really where the problem lies.

Remember how Kidd wanted to be traded when he felt that the team around him wasn't going to be up to par. He was crying about the teams committment to winning and then they got VC. The reason he did that is cuz he KNOWS that he can only do so much. The other players have to be able to FINISH off what he sets up. That is the case for EVERY PG in the league. EVEN NASH! If i'm a good PG and I make the pass to an open teammate he has to be able to knock it down or make the right decision with the ball from there. Steph avg'd 2.42 TO's a game, but the TEAM avg'd 17. This underscores my point that we need improved play from everyone else as well. Each season here Steph has taken fewer shots and thus others have to execute and give us the offense we need. He's giving up the ball more now and thus others must execute the passes properly. Everything keeps pointing to the same area and it's not Steph.

Posted by Killa4luv:

whats so frightening about it, do we have a better option waiting in the wings to take over?

Take over? What did he ever take over?