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YIKES!


This Can of Lard held down this spot the whole entire season. Unreal and I don't care if it's a fantasy stat and whoever else is listed near him, this is unacceptable on every level.

I think its very fair, this is the bigman break down on yahoo, as far as their quality rank

Elton Brand Rank-5
Marcus Camby
Tim Duncan
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
Mehmet Okur
Carlos Boozer
Samuel Dalembert
Yao Ming
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jermaine O'Neal
Ben Wallace
Andris Biedrins
Emeka Okafor
Dwight Howard
Tyson Chandler

Way down at the bottom
Curry Rank-238
Curry

Disgustingly disgusting. BARF. Shows how putrid of a season Ey Curry had. His offense was more than offset by his terrible defense. I once said his offense was meaningless since his defense canceled it out. Clearly, I was wrong, since when you look at it closer, you realize that his defense actually does more damage than the good his offense does. IMHO, if we had Tyson Chandler (for instance) instead of Ey Curry this past year, we would've won at least 40, regardless of injuries.

Posted by nixluva:

If you're expecting him to be perfect then you'll never be happy with him. However, if you can live with the fact that he's gonna have areas where he's weak, but may just become dominant in some areas and be part of this team winning in the near future, then you can be happy.

Who said anything about expecting Curry to be perfect?

Curry is weak in ALL areas except for one, low post scoring.

Curry will never become dominant at anything and the team won't win anything as long as he's way below average in everything but low post scoring.

These stats don't and can't measure the intanglble parts of the game. Like how many open shots a Strong post presence creates. More penetration due to distracted perimeter defenders. As a team we didn't always take the most advantage of these things and that is a factor in why we lost some of our games. While it's telling to look at Curry from the standpoint that this fantasy stat shows, it's only part of the story.

Down the line as this team and Curry improves in terms of sharing the ball, his stat line will be more representative. I believe he's already begun to get better at passing the ball. His adding more face ups will also help. He was able to showcase that a bit late in the season and I believe he'll come back next year having added another dimension to his offensive game.

Defense for him will be a big area, but not so much in the definable area of blocks. Just having him move into position to close down the lane would be a welcome improvement. Getting a block or 2 a game would be nice, but more important is his playing sound TEAM D all game long.

Posted by kam77:

These stats don't and can't measure the intanglble parts of the game. Like how many open shots a Strong post presence creates.

The EC effect (the good one) is not just the open shots he creates for teammates [and we have no shooters, and thereby less assists].

Its getting teams into the penalty and as a whole team getting to the FT line earlier [and our team was horrible at the FT line this year].

Clearly, if we're building around Curry, we need a team of good shooters and good post passers and make a high percentage of our FTs.

The Don Chaney Knicks, would have benefitted greatly from this years Curry.

Oh well.

shooters only benefit from eddy if he can pass it out of the post. it starts with him kicking it out quicker. it starts with him making quick decisions on what to do with the ball. once he gets that down, it will help the offense.

now upgrading the shooters are also necessary but until curry can send it back out, it's somewhat of a moot point.

Just for reference, Nixluva. You want to talk about improvement, that's one thing... but let's put this in perspective.

1) Eddy Curry is the WORST in the league in this statistic.
2) Eddy Curry has regressed on many levels and many see it.
3) Eddy Curry is fat and lazy and doesn't try on defense.
4) Eddy Curry has no skill and no interest whatsoever when it comes to important things like passing out of the post.
5) Eddy Curry bitches if he doesn't get a lot of touches -- rewards for a guy who doesn't bother on defense?
6) Eddy Curry's next nearest in this stat was almost twice as efficient as Eddy in these areas. ONCE AGAIN: EDDY IS THE WORST IN THE ENTIRE NBA AT THIS STAT. UNREAL.

The fact that Nixluva is dismissing this so easily shows that Nix is not capable of having a real conversation. If the Knicks went 0-82, the rose colored glasses would still be there.

What Nix really should be saying is "are you surprised that Ey Curry SUCKS and plays ZERO defense?" Then his question would finally make sense and I could answer yes. I'm surprised that an NBA player with six years of full NBA experience decided and was encouraged to not bother on defense, let the other defenders get by him, as to not get in foul trouble or get tired. I'm surprised than an NBA player with six years of experience still has no clue how to pass out of the post... and has no desire to even LOOK for an open teammate when he gets doubled. It's an embarassment to the NBA.

[Edited by - Solace on Apr 25 2007 4:10 PM]

I like Zack R stats 1:1 - means totally useless but no harm.
Ben is 4.49:1 he is 10 times more effective that Eddy...
WOW - 1o times...
This is not fair... Money for nothing...

Hey Solace - you're not being fair to Eddy. You must be jokin' and exaggerating, or you're a playa hata.

1) The Curry line is not an official statistic. It's like putting a bunch of conditions together to fit specific players. FOR EXAMPLE, name the players in the NBA to shoot over 57% from the field and average over 19ppg for the season. Why, that's a very exclusive list; only two players fit that distinction. Eddy Curry and Amare Stoudemire.

Dropping the percentage down to 55% adds only 1 more player - Boozer. Drop it down to 54%, and you also get Duncan. Drop the scoring down to 17.5, and you can add Dwight Howard to the mix. In any event, I think we get the point.

2) Several of Curry's per minute stats decreased (rebounding, steals, and blocks), as did his ft%. But his minutes increased nearly 10mpg, a huge number for someone considered to be out of shape. That in itself is a big feat.

3) Eddy Curry doesn't try consistently on defense, cuz he's trying to avoid foul trouble. *shrug* True. Who knows if he's also trying to conserve energy.

4)It's been noted before, but Curry's offensive game is almost all back-to-the basket, or alley-oops/finishing plays. The Knicks have not given him many opportunities facing the basket. IT has alluded to this - that over the summer they'll work on that. Because he's got his back to the basket, he hasn't had an opportunity to survey the floor and make better passes to players in scoring position. I can see him nearly doubling his assist average next season.

5) Who doesn't bitch when they don't get touches? :) I complain in corporate leagues, and I'm terrible. :) And conversely, you'd expect a guy like Ben Wallace or Tyson Chandler to get the ball 30 times a game to reward their defense. Lebron James being a merely average defender doesn't stop him from handling the ball 80% of the time. Fact is, Curry's our best scoring threat, he should get the ball.

6) To modify #1: Who is the ONLY player in the NBA to shoot 57.6% from the field and average more than 19ppg? That's right, it's Eddy Curry. (Amare only averaged 57.5%)

Techno, you're right that Eddy has some positives. Correction: one positive. He's probably tops in the league at getting a basket with a single defender and within 5 feet of the basket. Considering all of the other things which he's terrible at, if not for that one thing, he'd be in the NBDL. When Zaza Pachulia's stats destroy yours in most categories, it's time to rethink if your one asset is helping the team as much as your massive amount of flaws are hurting the team.

But yes, Eddy is a very very good interior post player. No one has denied that. If he did SOME of these other things that I know are a lot to ask... like putting in effort, playing hard, and playing a team game... who knows, maybe the Knicks win some more games. Irony is, you know that the most important roster change we made when LB was here was the addition of Eddy Curry. Why is it that we had our worst season with Curry in the middle last season and now this season with Curry in the middle we still came nowhere near the playoffs? Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by kam77:

Ben is 4.49:1 he is 10 times more effective that Eddy...

Ben is much less effective drawing double-teams. Stats are fine. They're not the end all.

so you're saying curry has better intangibles than ben wallace? what a joke.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 04-25-2007 5:07 PM]

Yeah, the fact that stats don't tell the whole story is the last argument any Curry supporter should be mentioning. He's probably the worst "intangibles" player in the league.

You mean being a lazy fat ass who bitches about not making the All-Star game doesn't count as an "intangible"?