Posted by franco12:

well- Isiah added enough salary to max out Minny, the Celts and the Pacers- that's how he looses.

Plus, he's traded unprotected picks away like they were monopoly money.

And don't forget- we owe a pick that is unprotected in 2 years to utah.

You really can't worry about the money when you're talking about NY teams. That's just one of the things that NY teams use as an advantage. In terms of the unprotected picks, It was an unnecessary risk. So far at least Isiah has gotten the players he's looked to get and if he feels they're worth more than the player he could've gotten with the pick then he's within his right to do that. It may not be what we all want to see him do, but it's not as bad as making the kind of awful moves that those other GM's have made. In last years draft if LB had done a better job then we don't give the Bulls a #2. The least he could've done was make it a late lottery pick as opposed to handing them a high pick. This year we all know that this team could easily have finished with a better record and the pick wouldn't even have been an issue. It still has a low risk in terms of getting the Bulls the ultimate prize, so we'll see what they do with the pick. As far as Isiah is concerned he ended up with the player he wanted and overall he's made VERY good choices with all of his picks as Knicks GM.

I like the talent that Boston has tho, so it remains to be seen if they can finally pull it together. We'll see how they do if they end up keeping their position at #2. They will have a GREAT opportunity to set up the franchise with a cornerstone. The thing is that Ainge didn't do anything right in order to get this chance, he had to stink it up, in order for this to happen.

I think better days are ahead for Isiah as a GM. You're looking at guys who at least came into situations that were optimal. McHale had a clean slate and high draft picks to start with. Bird inherited a team that was started off by Donnie Walsh.

There are plenty of GM's who've not done squat for much of their tenure. Just losing big and drafting high is not an example of good GM work. Isiah has been very active in trying to turn around a situation that was deemed practically unrepairable and with the detriment of having to deal with Dolan and his "just make the playoffs" mentality. The only advantage that he's had is that he's been allowed to spend. But now that doesn't appear to be necessary anymore, since he's been able to retool with younger players that will give us a similar type of prospects for the future that any of the other young team have.

Posted by islesfan:

Bird got burned by gambling on a bunch of malcontents. Even then, before this year he made the playoffs the 3 previous years. That trade of Jackson and Harrington was an attempt to rid the team of 2 of it's biggest problem children, no matter how talented they are. When it comes to being a coach and an executive, Bird completely outclasses Isiah.

McHale is a terrible GM and should have been fired after the 2006 season. It's a joke that he still has a job. Having said that, he still drafted and built a conference finals team around KG. That's a lot more than Isiah has ever done as a GM.

Ainge has made his share of mistakes but he has a lot of young talent including a budding star in Jefferson, a star in Pierce, are far under the cap after next year and have a great chance of adding Oden or Durant. You'd have to be out of your mind to take the Knicks over that team. Big Edge to Ainge.

And I give Ainge credit for taking a hardline stance on Telfair, knowing that it was an admission that he made a mistake. As opposed to Isiah who said that he wouldn't change a damn thing when it comes to any of the moves he's made since he came here.

You're going to have to do a lot of research to find a GM as awful as Isiah, who has had almost zero success as an executive.

What I bolded was to bring attention the McHale thread I made a week ago. I had in the title of that thread "Give McHale Credit" and of course many here missed the point. It's been acknowledged that he probably should have been fired by most but the guy has admitted he's made some mistakes along the way. He also isn't caving into making a trade of K.G. just to make one because everyone else feels K.G. deserves better. That's what I was giving McHale credit as you did Ainge for realizing their shortcomings as GM's something ISAYUGH will never ever ever ever ever do.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-24-2007 10:09 PM]

He's wasted hundreds of millions of dollars, multiple lottery picks and ample opportunities to acquire players but only has this flawed roster to show for it.

You just can't mess up any worse than that! Not to mention, one of the worst records the last last season before this and losing seasons ever since. I would like to revert back to when I was saying about the midway point of this season, that it was time for someone else to take this team to another level. I was right' and we missed the chance of doing that. Perhaps West would have been a much better architect. The biggest shock to me is, we all have seen what Thomas is made of, we know what he has done, so why could anyone possibly think he could do any better? He would have been fired anywhere else. That's the most distrubing thing about this situation.

Thomas's #1 specialty has always been and will always be, draft picking (and that's starting to be questionable). He cannot handle money, he cannot make sensible trades (or set them up), or bring in sensible players who are available.

Typical Stupid Biased Thread.....

Mchale, Billy King, Billy Knight, Elgin Baylor, Isiah Thomas are the leagues worst GMs.

Bird had a bad season but they have guys like granger, diogu, and williams in the fold two of which are going to be very solid. They are going to trade O'Neal and get some nice pieces and they have a good pick in this years draft.

Thomas hasn't really done anything that jumps off the page at you other than draft David Lee, whom he got through another terrible move the nazar late draft exchange. Isiah is yet to make one move where you are like who we really came away with something.

Crawford (Add Vin Baker and Jerome Williams, plus a 7 year deal)....The Raptors pick up Anthony Parker for 10 cents on the dollar and he is already a better player because he plays within himself and plays defense....

Francis one of the worst deals in NBA History........

Eddy Curry.....this deal is a joke, Ty Thomas is going to be more important to a team winning ball games in a few years, and had it not been for Curry's miracle tip the knicks would have had a top five selection, as it stands now we would have been able to draft Conely Jr. and have a pg for the future and actually build instead of prying that eddy gets in shape, let me save you on this one not happening......

He brings in players with attitude issues, Nate/Telfair is their really that much of a difference....

Boston has better young talent, Allen, Perkins, West, Gomes, Rondo, Green, and Jefferson and a superstar and a top 3 selection in this draft.....

We have three players with good upside Collins, Lee and Balkman, and thats as far as it goes Curry is not reaching a ceiling he is pretty much there.

When you look at the direction of the franchise where are we going, no one is taking James, Jefferies, Francis, Marbury, Q, Rose you know how hard you have to try to do that. McChale is the only other GM in the NBA that has done a worse job than Isiah.

We are lucky to reach the playoffs next season, considering we got ****ing owned, by Philly, Charlotte and the Celtics this season.

And the lowering of standards continues. Let's all try to find the worst GM's in the league to compare Isiah to so he comes out smelling like a rose.

did you just say he has show the ability to be the caliber to be one of the best gms, if thats true please provide something to back that up

Posted by MS:

did you just say he has show the ability to be the caliber to be one of the best gms, if thats true please provide something to back that up

Actually, I said the opposite. That he has not shown to be of the caliber of the best GM's in the league other than maybe in his drafting.

Spencer got a one year deal, Jerome was a noted underachiever and everyone knew except isiah it was a horrible signing.

The Knicks need mentors and I like the Idea of Clyde working with Collins, i would also like oakly to work with balkman and lee, and have houston help out our shooters, but isiah is too proud and stupid to allow that to happen