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let me ask this question about balkman lee and lesser extent jefferies
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BRIGGS
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4/24/2007  4:15 PM
now I would have to logically conclude that they probably did NOT know that balkman could do the things he did in year 1 and that jefferies was supposed to be in that role. lee and balkman in many ways play the same game--and its a good game but I think their skill sets have been fully addressed to our needs---that is discounting jefferies. to me--what I watched this year especially at the end was a team that could not spread the floor and get the scoring needed to win games. We need a 2 guard who can shoot--were going to run into the same problems--we need a guy who can play some D in the paint---those are our two needs along with some insurance at the back up 1. we dont need another player who can't shoot it as the main offseason guy
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4/24/2007  4:58 PM
Isiah seems to go for the athletic, hustle players with late picks (Ariza, Lee, Balkman). Maybe he'll realize that we have that covered to a decent extent. After all, he has a great understanding of the concept of redundancy! <sarcasm>
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4/24/2007  4:59 PM
Wait ... whats the question -- That we were better off without Jeffries?
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4/24/2007  5:02 PM
Posted by kam77:

Wait ... whats the question -- That we were better off without Jeffries?
hahaha. I wasn't exactly sure what the question was either! He still has a good point about needing a shooter more than another Balkman, although I still believe in taking the BPA in the draft, especially on a rebuilding team.
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4/24/2007  5:02 PM
Balkman and Jared cover slightly different areas. I think Lee as well. We have good coverage with that group. I believe that Balkman and Lee will eventually develop a jumper. Balkman actually tried to shoot 3's early on and I didn't feel he looked lost doing it. He just needs more work on it. If he adds that then he's a VERY good player for this team and there's no problem. You can imagine how Bowen was able to add the 3 to his game. Jared can cover PF for short times and even Center if we go with a quicker unit and want to run.

I agree that we need to get more POWER at the PF spot and I think that is what Morris is slated to be in time. In the draft we should be able to get the SG/SF we need who has 3pt range and should be decent on D. If Isiah is really looking at this team in the long term then he's really not in a rush to do anything rash and will spend the bulk of the Staff energy on developing the young players we have.
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4/24/2007  5:42 PM
We need something else to talk about.
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4/24/2007  6:00 PM
Balkman and Jared cover slightly different areas.
What areas does Jared cover?
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4/24/2007  6:14 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Isiah seems to go for the athletic, hustle players with late picks (Ariza, Lee, Balkman). Maybe he'll realize that we have that covered to a decent extent. After all, he has a great understanding of the concept of redundancy! <sarcasm>

Somthing you also have also! (sarcasm)
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4/24/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

We need something else to talk about.

i'm trying to shift the focus off the knicks for a while and onto the draft and the teams still in it...like, for example, toronto
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4/24/2007  7:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:

We need something else to talk about.

i'm trying to shift the focus off the knicks for a while and onto the draft and the teams still in it...like, for example, toronto

I would like to talk some more snickerdoodle if that's possible.

I just think we have talked about getting a "defensive presence", "3pt shooter", "real point guard" too much already. I think we all can make babies to it, who needs Marvin gay? Everybody has a hard on about the same thing, cuz its in every thread.

I hope isiah can come through for us, but we have to take a step back and ask ourselves in this time of equality and bliss. What would larry brown do?
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4/24/2007  7:10 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Isiah seems to go for the athletic, hustle players with late picks (Ariza, Lee, Balkman). Maybe he'll realize that we have that covered to a decent extent. After all, he has a great understanding of the concept of redundancy! <sarcasm>

Somthing you also have also! (sarcasm)
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4/24/2007  7:54 PM
balkman and lee are not the same IMO. in fact they are more different than people think. can Balkman handle the ball, score, pass, finish with his right or left hand? Nope. is Lee as good a man-to-man defender or off the ball shot blocker as Balkman? Hellz no. they both are pure hustle and outstanding rebounders. that's pretty much the only similarities. in a nutshell Lee's skills are more offensive oriented and Balkman is a better defender, but they are both outstanding rebounders (especially offensive rebounders) and all hustle.
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4/24/2007  7:55 PM
In the off season, Isaiah hadn't counted on Curry improving his game. It wasn't until after the season started, that he decided to rework his offense around Curry's ability to score in the low post and draw double teams. He was looking to upgrade our defense (which was even worse than it is now) and, on the offensive side, he was thinking in terms of running more. Hence the Jeffries signing, which in retrospect was a bad one. He should have used the mid-level on a guy like DeShawn Stevenson who could have spread the floor.
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4/24/2007  8:35 PM
morris almond and sean williams make a lot of sense for this team. knicks need a way to get into the end of first or early 2nd round.
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4/24/2007  8:51 PM
Dolan's Knicks have never had two separate players that play hard. It's so rare that we assume both must be the same person. On a team like Detroit, people wouldn't draw any parallels between Balkman and Lee.
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4/24/2007  9:06 PM
All I know is that Balkman and Lee need to be our starting SF and PF if they improve their outside shooting. All we need them to do is be able to hit an open jumper with some consistency. If they can do that, their ability to rebound, pass, and play at a high energy level will mask Curry's lack of rebounding and defense. If Q can come back relatively healthy and Crawford can improve his shot selection, we should be in pretty good shape. The simple fact of the matter is that, if this team is going to make significant improvement next year, it is going to be through the development of our young players like Balkman, Lee, Collins, Nate, and Frye.
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4/24/2007  10:01 PM
the difference between balkman, lee and jeffries is balkman & lee are both good players signed cheap with value- jeffries is over paid, under performing and untradeable.
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4/25/2007  6:16 PM
I disagree about Jefferies being untradeable. I think, while he's not anything special, he can still be a desireable fit on certain teams who could use a little defense on the wing, and might be willing to spend the 5 mill a year on him. Afterall, he did play pretty good in the playoffs with the Wizards last season.

He wont net us anything huge, and we'd probably have to take on another bad contract, but anyone is tradeable.

BRIGGS, I agree with you for the most part, however, I actually think we need a go to shooter on the wing, ala Allan Houston, who can also make little passes in the post and whatnot, because that would compliment Curry perfectly, down the road. To top that off, we need a couple of other spot up shooters who can also pass, to spread the floor even more, for Curry and cutters. That is, of course, if you want a high powered offense.

With that being said, we need guys who can do all that AND play defense. 2 way players.
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4/25/2007  6:30 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I disagree about Jefferies being untradeable. I think, while he's not anything special, he can still be a desireable fit on certain teams who could use a little defense on the wing, and might be willing to spend the 5 mill a year on him. Afterall, he did play pretty good in the playoffs with the Wizards last season.

He wont net us anything huge, and we'd probably have to take on another bad contract, but anyone is tradeable.

BRIGGS, I agree with you for the most part, however, I actually think we need a go to shooter on the wing, ala Allan Houston, who can also make little passes in the post and whatnot, because that would compliment Curry perfectly, down the road. To top that off, we need a couple of other spot up shooters who can also pass, to spread the floor even more, for Curry and cutters. That is, of course, if you want a high powered offense.

With that being said, we need guys who can do all that AND play defense. 2 way players.
Not many 23 picks or MLE signings (our two options) fit those criteria
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4/26/2007  1:07 AM
It's a deep draft. Almond and a whole bunch of other guys who play hard and have these fundamental skills will be available almost surely, because so many teams are looking for the big man still...
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let me ask this question about balkman lee and lesser extent jefferies

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