Posted by djsunyc:

90% of our roster seems better suited playing a golden state helter skelter type of offense as well as scrambling help defense.

we have athletes on the team that get up and down the court. would we be better off moving curry and making this team all out run and gun?

We need to dump this WIDE LOAD A.S.A.P.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by djsunyc:

90% of our roster seems better suited playing a golden state helter skelter type of offense as well as scrambling help defense.

we have athletes on the team that get up and down the court. would we be better off moving curry and making this team all out run and gun?

I'm not sure you even have to trade Curry to do it, he's not all that ineffective as a trailer. And remember San Antonio and Duncan would outrun the Suns and then play halfcourt against the Mavs and Pistons.

My concern is whether or not we really have guys who are suited to an open court style, or if we just want to use that to mask our lack of fundamentals. I think of it as faking it till we can make it, but I don't see it taking us far. We still need guys who can shoot, dribble, pass, see the floor, make key decisions, dive for the ball, play defense, etc. When we've tried the uptempo game we often exceeded 20 TOs per game.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-23-2007 2:40 PM]

Serious ? do you honestly think Curry could play 35+ min of helter skelter basketball?


IMO he'd either be gased or in foul trouble.

Frye, Nate, Morris and Curry for KG makes sense for both teams and would make us a much better team in the long term, because i don't think any of these guys can really help you win games.

Garnett/James
Lee/Rose
Balkman/Q
Crawford/Affalo
Marbury/Collins

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by djsunyc:

90% of our roster seems better suited playing a golden state helter skelter type of offense as well as scrambling help defense.

we have athletes on the team that get up and down the court. would we be better off moving curry and making this team all out run and gun?

I'm not sure you even have to trade Curry to do it, he's not all that ineffective as a trailer. And remember San Antonio and Duncan would outrun the Suns and then play halfcourt against the Mavs and Pistons.

My concern is whether or not we really have guys who are suited to an open court style, or if we just want to use that to mask our lack of fundamentals. I think of it as faking it till we can make it, but I don't see it taking us far. We still need guys who can shoot, dribble, pass, see the floor, make key decisions, dive for the ball, play defense, etc. When we've tried the uptempo game we often exceeded 20 TOs per game.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-23-2007 2:40 PM]

Serious ? do you honestly think Curry could play 35+ min of helter skelter basketball?


IMO he'd either be gased or in foul trouble.

Is helter skelter basketball the new "hip" term for the push offense?

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Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by djsunyc:

90% of our roster seems better suited playing a golden state helter skelter type of offense as well as scrambling help defense.

we have athletes on the team that get up and down the court. would we be better off moving curry and making this team all out run and gun?

I'm not sure you even have to trade Curry to do it, he's not all that ineffective as a trailer. And remember San Antonio and Duncan would outrun the Suns and then play halfcourt against the Mavs and Pistons.

My concern is whether or not we really have guys who are suited to an open court style, or if we just want to use that to mask our lack of fundamentals. I think of it as faking it till we can make it, but I don't see it taking us far. We still need guys who can shoot, dribble, pass, see the floor, make key decisions, dive for the ball, play defense, etc. When we've tried the uptempo game we often exceeded 20 TOs per game.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-23-2007 2:40 PM]

Serious ? do you honestly think Curry could play 35+ min of helter skelter basketball?


IMO he'd either be gased or in foul trouble.

Is helter skelter basketball the new "hip" term for the push offense?

Blue can you break down the technical terms on what this offense is described as? You know "Boogie Oogie" whatever you said about 2mos ago. Hilarious stuff you said.

Here, let me help you out. Its called Isiah's next PR strategy. Knicks Basketball: Maybe we can get Al Harrington for next year's pick.

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Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by djsunyc:

90% of our roster seems better suited playing a golden state helter skelter type of offense as well as scrambling help defense.

we have athletes on the team that get up and down the court. would we be better off moving curry and making this team all out run and gun?

I'm not sure you even have to trade Curry to do it, he's not all that ineffective as a trailer. And remember San Antonio and Duncan would outrun the Suns and then play halfcourt against the Mavs and Pistons.

My concern is whether or not we really have guys who are suited to an open court style, or if we just want to use that to mask our lack of fundamentals. I think of it as faking it till we can make it, but I don't see it taking us far. We still need guys who can shoot, dribble, pass, see the floor, make key decisions, dive for the ball, play defense, etc. When we've tried the uptempo game we often exceeded 20 TOs per game.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-23-2007 2:40 PM]

Serious ? do you honestly think Curry could play 35+ min of helter skelter basketball?


IMO he'd either be gased or in foul trouble.

Is helter skelter basketball the new "hip" term for the push offense?

Blue can you break down the technical terms on what this offense is described as? You know "Boogie Oogie" whatever you said about 2mos ago. Hilarious stuff you said.

Here, let me help you out. Its called Isiah's next PR strategy. Knicks Basketball: Maybe we can get Al Harrington for next year's pick.

I thought that was the "Quick" offense.

Its hard to tell right now. Isiah wont come clean about it. You know, to trick our opponents.

One thing the knicks have that the rest of the league doesn't is 5 guys in the backcourt that can get to the basket. The knicks should be driving to the basket every play and curry and frye should be getting easy buckets all day. When they need a basket they Curry would be all day. As far as an open court team, the knicks need to look to run on every rebound. Balkman is the only mofo that pushes the ball after a rebound.

The knicks depth should have carried the team but isiah had to drop that plan when guys showed up fat and bitchy.

Anyway the "quick" offense looked great in summer league and pre-season. I hope isiah can get the guys back on it and mix that up with Curry inside and the dribble drive in the half court.

Posted by JohnWallace44:


Golden State's system works because they took a bunch of guys, none of whom play D, but all can shoot and put them on the floor at the same time.

Ellis, Jackson, Pietrus and Biedrins all play D, atleast better than out players.

here is what I'd love an answer to- why can a group like golden state pass the ball and space the floor and shoot open shots- yet no knick squad as long as I've be a fan can make simple passes?

I mean, for as good as the knicks of the 90's were- they sucked on offense. Possibly the best offensive passing squad we had was the 99 version- I remember against atlanta, it was sprewell and camby on the break all series long.

I would love to trade curry - partly because he might never have more value than he does now- partly because the punch it in offense is boring and partly because when he's out, guys actually try.

If Dolan was serious about going the ranger's route- rebuild with cheap youth- he would tell isiah to trade everyone he could- curry, marbs- for youth, picks ending deals back.