Now if we can drive Dolan and Isiah past the Book depository we might begin the road back.

I certainly see the bent corner- what I don't believe is that they could have been guaranteed that when all the envelopes got tumbled, that one of them wouldn't receive a similar crease.

Yeah that was some shady stuff. I saw it about 3 times yesterday. Pretty pathetic that sucked for the other 6 teams.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by franco12:

I certainly see the bent corner- what I don't believe is that they could have been guaranteed that when all the envelopes got tumbled, that one of them wouldn't receive a similar crease.

I agree, and the way that little stack of 3 was leaning it looks like that fold could have naturally occurred as that envelope was the bottom of the bunch taking the weight of them all.

The allegation has long been that it was a frozen envelope so he could feel it's coldness but that wouldn't make sense as he really only got to touch two of the envelopes, the top of that stack and the bottom. The bent corner makes more sense, so that he could see where to reach, but it's a long shot that the bent corner would even end up visible. for this to work I think the corner would have had to been bent, and the envelope frozen , and still it's a long shot.

But I guess if they were out to do this they'd have to be satisfied with giving the Knicks an advantage without guaranteeing a successful fix.

There's room for specualtion but the tapping the envelop on the bubble upon entrance it what slants the argument way towards the conspiracy theory. I think the tapping was also an indicator to let Stern know which envelop to keep an eye on as they tumbled in the bubble.

Posted by franco12:

If it was fixed- does anyone here think it was a bad thing?

I mean getting Ewing was great, but we never won anything. And the Ewing Era was really the Jordan Era. We might have been better off not getting him and perhaps getting Shaq as a top pick when he came out.

Short Term immediate return you would say it wasn't but do we know if there have been other shinnanigans since then that have cost us, wether not benefitting/other teams benefitting?

What about the theory that Stern recommended Isiah to Dolan?

What better way to pump $60 million into the hands of the small market teams than to have Dolan pay cap tax?

Posted by Nalod:

What about the theory that Stern recommended Isiah to Dolan?

What better way to pump $60 million into the hands of the small market teams than to have Dolan pay cap tax?

If that was the case, don't you think the least Stern could do is send us an Oden or LeBron? Clearly if there was a deal, Isiah didn't know about it.

It does appear that Jack Wagner treats the fourth envelope different from the others. He definitely tosses the first three to the bottom of the bubble. Then, the fourth one bounces against the front of the bubble - whether on purpose or not, I don't know. I'd like to see the orignal film and analyze it frame by frame.

I don't see the crease getting created, but I do see the crease on the first envelope that Stern pulls out. He does appear to look into the bubble before he starts digging around in there.

However, it doesn't appear that he actually touches the crease part, and I can't see if he's actually looking into the bubble or not as he's pulling out the envelope. Perhaps the crease was a backup, and the envelope was both creased and colder than the others.

What about the way Jack Joyce turned the drum? He didn't mix those cards up very well, did he?

It's too bad Zapruder was the only one filming this. Another angle on it might provide more clues.

I think, in the future, this process should be computerized, if it isn't already. I would suggest that the NBA contract with Diebold. We know that with their machines these types of shenanigans aren't possible.

Posted by franco12:

If it was fixed- does anyone here think it was a bad thing?

I mean getting Ewing was great, but we never won anything. And the Ewing Era was really the Jordan Era. We might have been better off not getting him and perhaps getting Shaq as a top pick when he came out.

It wasn't a bad thing for knicks fans, just the other 6

Another thing...

Bill Simmons is just salty over the fact that the Celtics got played in the 1997 draft. They had two 1st round picks and the worst record in the league by far, and came away with just the 3 and 6 slots. Tim Duncan would have meant so much more in a major market like Boston rather than some cow town in Texas.

Either conspiracy theories are not applicable to NBA drafts, or Celtics management needs to get their HUSTLE SKILLS up.