First of all he's been a bad GM overall but the guy has admitted publicly on several ocassions he's failed. He has a loyal owner just like the one here but it seems to be a different kind of loyalty. At least they have made the playoffs more often than not during his tenure there but for all the DUMB AZZZ pipe dream we have a shot at K.G. threads here's another off-season where there's no way he's coming here. Never was, Never will be.


http://www.startribune.com/511/story/1131394.html

"We're going to try to make some trades," he said.

"It was a bad season," McHale added. "There's no other way you can say it. It starts with me."

Another interesting quote from the MARBURY days

On the subject of fan apathy, McHale said, "The fans are frustrated, and they should be. ... It's been three consecutive bad seasons." When asked if he considered leaving his position, McHale said, "There's a frustration level ... but I don't want to walk away with the team in this state. Later, he added, "Unfortunately, it reminds me of the team I took over," and he described the Wolves' locker room as "dysfunctional."

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-19-2007 1:35 PM]

KG has been an advocate of bringing Marb back to Minny. I'm sure his voice is heard in the boardrooms. If I'm the Knicks, I'm on the phone with Minny yesterday, trying to pawn Marb on them for thier lotto pick.

Can't give credit for that. The loyalty factor is nice, but really, when you have a KG, do one of two things... either surround him with players that can win NOW or trade him to a condender. They did neither, so basically Minny's strategy is to make big $$ off his name. Trading him while you can still get 1-2 young stars is the smart way to go.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Solace:

Can't give credit for that. The loyalty factor is nice, but really, when you have a KG, do one of two things... either surround him with players that can win NOW or trade him to a condender. They did neither, so basically Minny's strategy is to make big $$ off his name. Trading him while you can still get 1-2 young stars is the smart way to go.

You don't trade a franchise player who has never asked to be traded especially if he doesn't want to. He just bought a huge house in Minnesota. K.G. has begged and pleaded with them to surround him with better talent, he even did it winding down this off-season. K.G. is loyal therefore you give that in return. McHale just needs to do a better job plain and simple or step down and bring a guy like Jerry West in. It's not like trading him to a team say the Bulls would solve his championship apsirations because Minny will get very close to equal value for him.

Like I said, surround him with players or trade him. They've done neither. They traded away Cassell, didn't resign Sprewell even when Spree would've returned on the cheap (granted Spree's attitude issues are sometimes a large distraction) and haven't managed to get anyone to play next to KG. Missing on Iverson was ridiculous. They should've had Iverson to play next to KG at any cost. Minnie was the team that could best use him. The fact of the matter is that the GM screw ups are unreal. They're running that team like a business, not like a team they want to win. So, maybe KG wants out, maybe he doesn't (he does hint otherwise, at various times), but if you're keeping him, surround him with players. Otherwise, trade him. Rebuilding a team that has a 30 year old KG doesn't make any sense UNLESS trading KG is part of your rebuilding plan. At this rate, by the time the Wolves are good again, KG is going to be 34 and on the downturn.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Solace:

Can't give credit for that. The loyalty factor is nice, but really, when you have a KG, do one of two things... either surround him with players that can win NOW or trade him to a condender. They did neither, so basically Minny's strategy is to make big $$ off his name. Trading him while you can still get 1-2 young stars is the smart way to go.

You don't trade a franchise player who has never asked to be traded especially if he doesn't want to. He just bought a huge house in Minnesota. K.G. has begged and pleaded with them to surround him with better talent, he even did it winding down this off-season. K.G. is loyal therefore you give that in return. McHale just needs to do a better job plain and simple or step down and bring a guy like Jerry West in. It's not like trading him to a team say the Bulls would solve his championship apsirations because Minny will get very close to equal value for him.

Like I said, surround him with players or trade him. They've done neither. They traded away Cassell, didn't resign Sprewell even when Spree would've returned on the cheap (granted Spree's attitude issues are sometimes a large distraction) and haven't managed to get anyone to play next to KG. Missing on Iverson was ridiculous. They should've had Iverson to play next to KG at any cost. Minnie was the team that could best use him. The fact of the matter is that the GM screw ups are unreal. They're running that team like a business, not like a team they want to win. So, maybe KG wants out, maybe he doesn't (he does hint otherwise, at various times), but if you're keeping him, surround him with players. Otherwise, trade him. Rebuilding a team that has a 30 year old KG doesn't make any sense UNLESS trading KG is part of your rebuilding plan. At this rate, by the time the Wolves are good again, KG is going to be 34 and on the downturn.

No you get better talent or step down as a GM. You don't trade him. Indiana did right by Reggie they tried but failed and what Reggie hung his hat on as he retired was that he played for 1 team his whole career. I feel K.G. is cut from the same cloth.

Posted by djsunyc:

mchale should've been fired for the joe smith fiasco.

but to his credit, after 20 years on the job, he did get KG two players in cassell and spree that took them to the WCF's. it was the owner that refused to pay to keep them. and then mchale had to resort back to his gm'ing to fix it and failed.

If they broke the bank to keep Cassell and Sprewell, they'd be even worse off than they are now. So in retrospect McHale actually lucked out there.

Posted by TrueBlue:

First of all he's been a bad GM overall but the guy has admitted publicly on several ocassions he's failed. He has a loyal owner just like the one here but it seems to be a different kind of loyalty. At least they have made the playoffs more often than not during his tenure there but for all the DUMB AZZZ pipe dream we have a shot at K.G. threads here's another off-season where there's no way he's coming here. Never was, Never will be.


http://www.startribune.com/511/story/1131394.html

"We're going to try to make some trades," he said.

"It was a bad season," McHale added. "There's no other way you can say it. It starts with me."

Another interesting quote from the MARBURY days

On the subject of fan apathy, McHale said, "The fans are frustrated, and they should be. ... It's been three consecutive bad seasons." When asked if he considered leaving his position, McHale said, "There's a frustration level ... but I don't want to walk away with the team in this state. Later, he added, "Unfortunately, it reminds me of the team I took over," and he described the Wolves' locker room as "dysfunctional."

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-19-2007 1:35 PM]

What are you referring too. McHale is referring to the Laettner and Marshall years. Marbury would have been graduating from high school when McHale became Wolves GM in 1994.

Posted by djsunyc:

mchale should've been fired for the joe smith fiasco.

but to his credit, after 20 years on the job, he did get KG two players in cassell and spree that took them to the WCF's. it was the owner that refused to pay to keep them. and then mchale had to resort back to his gm'ing to fix it and failed.

You have a very proactive owner there who also got slapped very hard for the JOe Smith thing.

I think Glen Taylor is very much a part of their success and failure and its the GM who impliments what the owner wants. Especially in Minny!

I agree, signing Spree even at 7mil would have been bad but any more to keep him would be a disaster.

Sam is a great guy but breaks down and can't be relied on.

I also think they were smart to rid themselves of Marbury as he would have been a bad cancer in his younger days.

Minny has been doing a mini Ewing/Knick kind of thing as they have struggled to support KG short term year after year.

They would be wise to take the pulse of the ticket holders and see if they could buy into a trade for youth.

Winning would give them forgiveness for trading KG. They ain't making the grade with him, so reallocating the asset is not a terrible thing.

Marbury's value has never been higher with his somewhat strong season. The length of his contract can no longer be considered an albatross but an asset. I would make this 7 player deal that would be beneficial for both teams...I think

Marbury, Jerome James, Nate for Blount, Rick Davis, Randy Foye and Marko Jaric.

We get Foye and Blount. Another guard to run with Mardy and Jamal and a backup center to replace Big Game. We get an ending contract in Davis and we need to take back a longer unwanted contract for exchange with JJ1.

Minny gets Marbury to reprise his role as Robin to KG's Batman and Nate for comedic relief. JJ1 needed for swap of unwanted contracts.

I think this can work.

We need to either cut or trade Franchise also.

good luck getting any GM to swap Foye for Marbury.

best course for Minny is to get a coach like Rick Adelman who can coach the type of team McHale put together.

they kept their pick this year. they have talent at the guards in Foye and McCants. draft Noah and ship Davis.