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Did Isiah Offense Work?
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Cookdcokehop
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4/18/2007  12:27 AM
I remember in the begginning of the year Isiah said he was implementing a new offensive system. Did this offense actually work? We did have almost 8 players average in double figures. Should we stick to this offense scheme and add players that can add to our offensive firepower or should we focus on defense now and add more players like Balk and Shittlesworth?
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4/18/2007  2:00 AM
I look at the wins vs. the loses. We are either incredibly unlucky, or we stink! Take you pick. I'm going with the stink!
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4/18/2007  7:49 AM
I think it is more of a situation that we need to execute the offense better. If Marbury and Crawford get better at passing into the Curry and Curry gets better at passing out of the doubleteam and Balkman, Collins, and Lee improve their outside shooting, the offense should be fairly potent. We would have a low post threat, spot up shooters, and penetraters in Marbury and Crawford.
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4/18/2007  8:06 AM
i think there needs to be more motion without the ball. there are so many times where curry will receive the ball on the block, immediately get doubled, and the rest of the guys on the perim just stand there looking as he slowly tiptoes into a travel. in that situation the paint is always open, just shoot the middle of the lane and curry can toss it over his head and you get a layup, I see so many teams run that kind of play off of a double team but we never do it. and if you can't get into the paint the guard has to move to an angle where curry can get him the ball more easily and then reset or something. but that was really my biggest issue this year offensively beside the outside shooting.
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4/18/2007  8:20 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I remember in the begginning of the year Isiah said he was implementing a new offensive system. Did this offense actually work? We did have almost 8 players average in double figures. Should we stick to this offense scheme and add players that can add to our offensive firepower or should we focus on defense now and add more players like Balk and Shittlesworth?

The Knicks have a good offense but not a great one. Unless they have a great one, then it should be no question in anyone's mind that the team will never be successful until it starts to play defense.

We need perimeter defenders and a shotblocker.

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4/18/2007  9:25 AM
The offense wasn't the problem this year- it was defense.

And while we give teams plenty of outside looks, the fact is, for whatever reason, opposing teams seemed to get stoked to play us and became unconscious from the outside.

I mean I watched plenty of league pass- its survival based on how bad the knicks have been- and there are teams that give up the same kinds of open looks- perhaps not as often, certainly.

I believe its not as much defense or offense as it is the will to win.

Our guys step on the floor and they don't think they're going to win, they expect to loose- and other teams pick up on that. Might be very subconscious, and it will take time to turn around.
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4/18/2007  9:28 AM
Offense wasn't a problem this year until the shooters went down. Defense! Defense!
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4/18/2007  9:30 AM
I know people think it was the defense that killed us -- and it did, but our offense was a problem too. Our offense committed so many turnovers that opposing teams had extra possessions and easy fast break points.
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4/18/2007  9:56 AM

Isiah is offensive.
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4/18/2007  10:08 AM
Yeah if you think about it we really did sqeak out a number of close games on miracle shots

Eddy curry three against the bucks
David Lee tip in against the bobcats
Steve Francis Miracle three against washington
Marbury going the length of the floor for the win (Isiah didn't use foul to give)
Crawford three point heave in Denver
Frye buzzer beater against Detriot to send it into another OT (Isiah didn't use foul to give)

We def had some luck go our way against denver, you win you win obviously and there were a number of exciting games in which the knicks blew the game on the final possession it really had little to do with injuries more to do with execution. We blew at least 5 games in the final 30 seconds
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4/18/2007  10:14 AM
i think at the end of the day, you are what you are.

10-17 when isiah took over in 2003. finished 29-26.
33-49 in 2004/05.
23-59 in 2005/06.
32-50? in 2006/07.

and out of ALL those losing seasons, the only real thing we have to show for our poor play is frye. all other players were acquired by spending a ridiculous amount of money.

and our offense will always look bad when you have no point guard out there.
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4/18/2007  10:17 AM
Our offensive players - Eddy, Stephan, Craf, Steve are playing to show what they can do.
They are not concerned about the team results.
You can see it - their personal and only goal is to show-up and show-case their skills
I cannot blame them for this - this waht they asked and encoraged to do by IT and Knicsk organization.
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But both have successfull business model.
Knicks organization is not targeting wins but more entertaining ball. I think we will continue to show cool highlight,
bazerbitters, circus shots, and drama all over. I even expect improvements in this areas.
We need to get read of Lee, Malik, Mardy, and Fry. They are not good for this type of entertaining and bring Artest, Randolf like players. Vince will also feet - he can make it entertaining big time.
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4/18/2007  10:17 AM
until the past month with all of the injuries, we were ranked in the top ten in offense. that is not a problem when healthy. true, turnovers killed us and usualy the sole reason we are down big and early in games. however, collins if anything seems to be a good ball controlling guard. marbury can control the ball decently. curry has to learn to pass out of double teams more efficiently. a lot of these mistakes are young players learning the game, like nate and frye. francis can just play out of control sometimes. he has always been like that. jeffries and rose shouldn't attempt ot put the ball on the floor but they do. now that a scheme has been implimented, they should be better.defense IS the real problem, especially at the end of games.
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4/18/2007  10:19 AM
how can an offense where the avg fg percentage of all the teams perimeter threats is around 41% be considered a good one

Craw 40
Steph 41
Francis 41
Nate 43
Frye 43
Q 42

under Brown it was around 44% for the perimeter players

Steph 45
Craw 42
Francis 44
J Rose 46
Nate 40
Frye 47
Q 35
Taylor 47
Woods 51
Udoke 38
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Ira
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4/18/2007  10:53 AM
I think the concept is good, but some of the personnel don't fit. Two things need to be done in the off-season.

1) We need a bigger point guard who can pass the ball into Curry more easily.
2) We need better outside shooting - particularly 3 point shooting to make teams pay for doubling and tripling Curry.
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4/18/2007  11:05 AM
personnel and concept is poor.

Curry is a finisher.

initiating an offense thru him is dumb since

he can't pass

-the double will still be effective regardless of personnel

and has nothing in his offensive repetoire in the 7-10 ft range.

-can't move him but to so many places on the court making it easier for opposing teams to devise strategies to shut NY down predicated on previously mentioned zones and traps on Curry.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
djsunyc
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4/18/2007  11:07 AM
Posted by McK1:

personnel and concept is poor.

Curry is a finisher.

initiating an offense thru him is dumb since

he can't pass

-the double will still be effective regardless of personnel

and has nothing in his offensive repetoire in the 7-10 ft range.

-can't move him but to so many places on the court making it easier for opposing teams to devise strategies to shut NY down predicated on previously mentioned zones and traps on Curry.

kind of like when the knicks felt ewing was holding them back with spree and h20. offense bogs down in dump it to the post mode. and the team is not good enough defensively to operate that way.

it's worthy of discussion whether it's a smart idea to make curry the focal point of the team's offense without significantly changing his supporting cast.
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4/18/2007  11:52 AM
Curry has been the primary focus on this offense all year and when it was at it's peak we could score a lot of points, however the TO's and wasted possessions have been a problem. This offense can run MUCH more efficiently than it did this year. We have to give it a chance. Curry wasn't truly ready for this offense, since he is still learning how to read the D and make passes. I have noticed he's gotten better tho. Next year have Collins and Jamal will be a boost to this offense. IF you can't see that happening then you're not paying attention to what is going on.

The big IF's are whether Balkman and Lee can develop their jumpers. Whether Isiah can add the extra perimeter shooting and defending we need. It's only gonna take a couple of guys to make a big difference. All this talk about needing a huge turnover on the roster is not true. Steph,Collins, Balkman, Q, Lee, Jared can all defend and if you add a SG like say Afflalo to that mix you can put some decent defensive units on the floor. While still being able to score well. Now just imagine if we can either get some D out of Morris or add a PF who can block shots and move well on D? Then you really change the complection of the teams ability to defend.
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