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TMS
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4/17/2007  12:13 PM
You have to wonder what it takes for a person to kill 32 other people. Just how bad does
life have to be for yourself for you to decide to take the life of 32 other innocent individuals?
How bad do you have to want to get back at the world? How little regard do you have to
have for human life, for the lives of people you don't even know? How much do you have
to hate your own family & friends to put them through the pain & anguish of having to go on
in life knowing they knew & loved the person who killed 32 people in the worst killing spree
in US history & then took his own life like the coward that he is so that he wouldn't have to
face the families & loved ones of his victims. This is a crazy world we live in.

My thoughts & prayers go out to families & friends of all the victims in this unspeakable tragedy
as well as to the parents of the killer who's memory is sure to haunt them for the rest of their
lives.

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4/17/2007  12:29 PM
I post on another OT Virginia Shooting thread that nothing is coming from nowhere:
Hanley and Mendoza (AP correspondents) reported exclusively that six years after declaring the U.S. killing of Korean War refugees at No Gun Ri was "not deliberate," the Army has acknowledged it found but did not divulge that a high-level document said the U.S. military had a policy of shooting approaching civilians in South Korea.
http://www.henryholt.com/nogunri/index.htm

I am wondering if this is the link?
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4/17/2007  12:40 PM
Posted by arkrud:

I post on another OT Virginia Shooting thread that nothing is coming from nowhere:
Hanley and Mendoza (AP correspondents) reported exclusively that six years after declaring the U.S. killing of Korean War refugees at No Gun Ri was "not deliberate," the Army has acknowledged it found but did not divulge that a high-level document said the U.S. military had a policy of shooting approaching civilians in South Korea.
http://www.henryholt.com/nogunri/index.htm

I am wondering if this is the link?


Every race, every country, every group on this planet has this in their history. There are no exceptions.

TMS the sad part about it, is a lot of times the situations for these people aren't any worse than what millions of people handle without violence everyday. Unfortunately there are some individuals for many different reasons that at that point in time aren't equipped to handle it. That's what makes it so scary, is that it could be anyone.
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4/17/2007  12:45 PM
didn't realize there was another thread... thanks for the link, but i don't see the correlation. to think this kid killed all these people to get back at the US for the innocents the US soldiers killed during the Korean War era is reaching.

i'm hearing that 1 of his victims was an ex-gf in the dorm room 2 hours before he went on the killing spree in the main hall where all the students were killed... not sure how accurate that is but i read it on the nytimes website... that suggests this may have originated over a personal problem with a girl... but how that could trigger this kid to kill all those other people, u just have to scratch your head... i just can't understand what would possess someone to do something like this... tragedies like this one and the ones at Columbine & the Oklahoma bombing just tell you how depraved & insane some people can be... it's a scary thing.

what's even crazier is this kid was just your average run of the mill Korean kid with parents who owned a Dry Cleaners & worked their butts off to put him & his sister through college... very similar to my own situation... like Bip said, some people are just incapable of handling certain life situations the way most other people would... when u look at the picture of this kid you'd never think he'd be capable of this, but sadly you just never know.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-17-2007 12:52 PM]
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4/17/2007  2:08 PM
He defenetely had some mental problems and personal issues.
I am just guessing that this old war stoty might trigger this terrible massacre.
It was not spontaneous. Guy brought Walther .22-caliber semi-automatic and a 9 mm Glock -- both with the serial numbers filed off. This was planned. You just don't need this to kill 2 people.
And each victim was shot at list 3 times... Crazy world...
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4/17/2007  2:16 PM
if this was planned, why would he feel the need to file off the serial #'s? i don't get it... i think he probably bought those guns off someone on the street after something happened to make him snap emotionally.
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4/17/2007  2:20 PM
Thanks god he is not happeneds to be from Middle East
This would be really bad... if it can be worth...
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4/17/2007  6:40 PM
Just wanted to add, personally I enjoy shooting guns at a range, so I'm a little biased on the subject. Even still, I don't think every citizen should have the right to bear arms like the Constitution states. I think you really should have a legitimate reason to own one, like if you own a cash business or work in private security. The fact that this 23 year old college student was able to buy a gun so easily is ridiculous, but you can't blame the gun laws for this tragedy happening. All it takes for a tragedy like this to happen is for 1 crazy person to commit to killing others.

Another thing we should consider is where the hell was security when all this was going down? & why weren't they properly equipped to deal w/situations like this? This wasn't even a case like what happened at Columbine where you had 2 kids strapped to the heels w/sub machine guns & body armor. This kid acted alone & only had 2 small hand guns. Shouldn't there have been someone in the building who could have dealt w/the situation or at least could have deterred this kid from killing as many kids as he did for all the tuition money these kids & their parents pay to this private university to finance their educations? It sickens me to think this could happen at any college on any campus, regardless of tougher gun regulations in certain states. Like I said before, it's a crazy
world we live in.
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4/17/2007  10:33 PM
check out this play that the killer wrote... this kid had issues:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html
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4/18/2007  7:17 AM
If this kid was abused by his step dad for yrs, this is proably a result of pinned up anger needed something to set it off......Home life dysfunction can trigger so many negative traits from prostitution to murder.
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4/18/2007  8:26 AM
I couldn't even read that garbage play.

And to extend on what playa2 posted, it's very common for kids to have "issues" once they become adults due to some traumatic experience from their childhood. Some people deal with it in a destructive way.
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4/18/2007  8:30 AM
It always boils down to family.


I had a fairly ****ed up childhood not completely attributed to my mom. Though certainly not as bad as pedophilia, it was still fairly egregious and, well, abusive.


In fact alot of our drinking problems boil down to bad family life. You have to wonder if the high work hours, and lessening of cultural values is triggering all these high profile killings.


Course there are exceptions..........




P.S. Don't worry guys I won't go around killing.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/18/2007  8:33 AM
Posted by playa2:

Home life dysfunction can trigger so many negative traits from prostitution to murder.


My dad died when I was 9, and I was left with a closet alcholohic mother who was very controlling, and sometimes abusive.


I'm not gonna pimp myself out, but I can tell you I've had social issues, mostly anxiety and depression.


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 04-18-2007 08:34 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/18/2007  8:52 AM
For some reason people tend to focus on the person who carried out the crime(not making excuses for them ) but normaly if you check the background of the perptraitor something wrong in the family growing up usually is the catylst behind their behavior later in life that shocks us who grew up in normal to semi dysfunctional family.

[Edited by - playa2 on 18-04-2007 08:53]
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4/18/2007  8:57 AM
^ I've always thought in those cases the parent should have to do time as well...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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