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4/16/2007  10:36 AM
I'll make no comment but you be the judge. He graded all the East teams. Shockingly, we got an 'F'. Shockingly, I say.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6683010
NEW YORK — F

Even when everybody was healthy, this bunch of whiners, complainers, and excuse-makers won a few games they should have lost, and lost many more that they should have won. They always hustled most and performed best when they were 20 points down. The Knicks have as much sheer talent as any other team in the league, and less cohesion than most.

Leave it to the New York media to celebrate Eddy Curry as a franchise center. For sure, he can score if he's defended straight-up — but double-teams totally bewilder him, he doesn't rebound or play defense, and he registers more than four turnovers for every assist.

Even so, the Knicks are a perfect fit all the way around: Punk players, a punk coach, and an owner who loves to sing the blues.
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4/16/2007  10:43 AM
Very fair, although possibly too generous.

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Well, in all seriousness, I would've said a D. The progression of David Lee, Renaldo Balkman and Mardy Collins avoids an F. Recordwise, they deserve an F-, since last season was supposed to be all Larry Brown's fault, and they barfed up this one too. They're playing as more of a team, but still have a long way to go, so for that they get a C. D for fundamentals. I thought in some regards, they actually were more fundamentally sound last season. D- for Eddy Curry's supposed progression. He's better on O, playing more minutes, but not playing team ball, because he doesn't pass out of the post and doesn't even try on defense. So, overall a D.

[Edited by - Solace on Apr 16 2007 10:52 AM]
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4/16/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by K22:

I'll make no comment but you be the judge. He graded all the East teams. Shockingly, we got an 'F'. Shockingly, I say.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6683010
NEW YORK — F

Even when everybody was healthy, this bunch of whiners, complainers, and excuse-makers won a few games they should have lost, and lost many more that they should have won. They always hustled most and performed best when they were 20 points down. The Knicks have as much sheer talent as any other team in the league, and less cohesion than most.

Leave it to the New York media to celebrate Eddy Curry as a franchise center. For sure, he can score if he's defended straight-up — but double-teams totally bewilder him, he doesn't rebound or play defense, and he registers more than four turnovers for every assist.

Even so, the Knicks are a perfect fit all the way around: Punk players, a punk coach, and an owner who loves to sing the blues.

That's so spot on it's scary.

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4/16/2007  11:56 AM
Agree with the assessment - he summarizes the negatives pretty well.

However, it should be under the heading "The Bad" in a two-part recap which also has a "The Good" section. He entirely ignores any positives. And yes, there were some.

The grade is also off - no matter how bad you may think this season was, it wasn't an "F."
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4/16/2007  12:00 PM
Another hater who fails to see the tremendous progress this team has made. He also totally fails to take into account the lingering effects of Scott Layden's Tenure, Larry Bown's treachery, unfair refs, and bizarre injuries.

Our guys are tough - a weaker group of players would be catatonic and drooling in padded cells after all they've been through.

Don't forget - Clarence Weatherspoon was actually on this team once. It takes a strong franchise to overcome something like that.

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4/16/2007  12:02 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Another hater who fails to see the tremendous progress this team has made. He also totally fails to take into account the lingering effects of Scott Layden's Tenure, Larry Bown's treachery, unfair refs, and bizarre injuries.

Our guys are tough - a weaker group of players would be catatonic and drooling in padded cells after all they've been through.

Don't forget - Clarence Weatherspoon was actually on this team once. It takes a strong franchise to overcome something like that.

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4/16/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by mythfaze:

Agree with the assessment - he summarizes the negatives pretty well.

However, it should be under the heading "The Bad" in a two-part recap which also has a "The Good" section. He entirely ignores any positives. And yes, there were some.

The grade is also off - no matter how bad you may think this season was, it wasn't an "F."

If the Bulls get Oden or Durant
I think it goes from D to F.
My vote is D on the season.
In most cases, I would vote f-for 30 wins--what else can you vote? That means that you are accepting a team with the highest payroll and close to the lowest win total[which is a bottom line]

However, I believe the emergence of Collins Balkman Lee and the improvement by Curry bring the grade up from a 50 to a 65. I also think Nate has proven he is a commodity who can play very well in the right environment.

Why stop at D? The failure of Frye and Jefferies takes away from the players above. I *know* IT counted these two guys seriously in the core--and we can see that cannot be--can they see it? And no matter what--forget pick 1-2-3 we still are giving up a lottery pick which takes away from Curry.
I think D is reasonable and if they do indeed end up in position 1-2-3[da bulls] then the grade moves to F
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4/16/2007  12:28 PM
that grade is ridiculous. how can you give a team that was in the thick of a playoff hunt until the last week of the season an F? i guess because of the hating towards new york. however, some of his comments are dead- on. the team did make constant excuses throughout the year and thomas was the blame. thomas' coaching at the end of the year was horrendous. he claims it is not because of the extension but his team can't prove otherwise. as far as curry is concern, say what you want about him, but you are hard pressed to name five more centers better than him. no, i don't think he is a franchise center, but he is a very good center who took great leaps into becoming a great center in the league. we have a young nucleus that will get better. i think that this team deserves a D or D+ grade which is awful but improving from that debacle last year.
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4/16/2007  3:32 PM
Posted by jazz74:

that grade is ridiculous. how can you give a team that was in the thick of a playoff hunt until the last week of the season an F? i guess because of the hating towards new york. however, some of his comments are dead- on. the team did make constant excuses throughout the year and thomas was the blame. thomas' coaching at the end of the year was horrendous. he claims it is not because of the extension but his team can't prove otherwise. as far as curry is concern, say what you want about him, but you are hard pressed to name five more centers better than him. no, i don't think he is a franchise center, but he is a very good center who took great leaps into becoming a great center in the league. we have a young nucleus that will get better. i think that this team deserves a D or D+ grade which is awful but improving from that debacle last year.

because the Knicks happened to be in one of the NBA's weakest conference in, what, a couple of decades?
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4/16/2007  3:34 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by jazz74:

that grade is ridiculous. how can you give a team that was in the thick of a playoff hunt until the last week of the season an F? i guess because of the hating towards new york. however, some of his comments are dead- on. the team did make constant excuses throughout the year and thomas was the blame. thomas' coaching at the end of the year was horrendous. he claims it is not because of the extension but his team can't prove otherwise. as far as curry is concern, say what you want about him, but you are hard pressed to name five more centers better than him. no, i don't think he is a franchise center, but he is a very good center who took great leaps into becoming a great center in the league. we have a young nucleus that will get better. i think that this team deserves a D or D+ grade which is awful but improving from that debacle last year.

because the Knicks happened to be in one of the NBA's weakest conference in, what, a couple of decades?

Let's also add that by the end of the year they may be 8+ games out of the last playoff spot, and that's not really in the playoff hunt now is it?
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4/16/2007  3:58 PM
I'm okay with the record. I predicted 35-38 wins and 32 is not unexpected in my point of view. The team did show some improvement in some of the necessary players. If you trim the fat and add some two way players we have a core that can be competitive until a true franchise player is brought in. Balkman, Lee, Curry, Collins and any one of the other guards is not a horrible start. It definitely needs work but it's an okay start.

What I hated from this season:
1.) The constant excuses and obvious settling based on our poor losses after every big win
2.) The whining and complaining about refs and opposing teams
3.) 80 games into a season and we still start games flat
4.) 80 games into the season and our turnovers have not improved at all. Crucial mistakes caused by lack of concentration in games late in the season speaks volumes of a team that does not have one player that understands what it takes to win in the NBA.

I think an F is going a bit far. But results speak for themselves. Outside of some solid role players moving forward we have a lot to work on. Most of our success will depend on improvement from within. Improvement that has not come after 80 games. At some point they have to start getting it, or you have to bring in players that already know it.
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4/16/2007  6:05 PM
Posted by K22:

I'll make no comment but you be the judge. He graded all the East teams. Shockingly, we got an 'F'. Shockingly, I say.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6683010
NEW YORK — F

Even when everybody was healthy, this bunch of whiners, complainers, and excuse-makers won a few games they should have lost, and lost many more that they should have won. They always hustled most and performed best when they were 20 points down. The Knicks have as much sheer talent as any other team in the league, and less cohesion than most.
Leave it to the New York media to celebrate Eddy Curry as a franchise center. For sure, he can score if he's defended straight-up — but double-teams totally bewilder him, he doesn't rebound or play defense, and he registers more than four turnovers for every assist.

Even so, the Knicks are a perfect fit all the way around: Punk players, a punk coach, and an owner who loves to sing the blues.

I agree that this team has less cohesion than most, but to say this team has as much talent as any other team is pure fiction. I imagine people with an agenda or a bone to pick say this in order to make the Knicks seem more inept than they actually are. Yes, they have a few big names but both (Marbury and especially Francis) are both a little past there prime. Q never sniffed an allstar team, Craw is inconsistant, and Curry never put an entire season together on both sides of the ball so I ask, where is all this talent that Rosen speaks of. Even if this team is clicking on all cylinders, I dont see this team with enought talent to win more than 40-45 games tops.
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4/16/2007  6:37 PM
An F for am lottery team without a lottery pick seems about right.

The Isiah apologists will enter blaming Larry Brown, racism, Scott Layden, sexual harassment, fans, injuries, conspiracies, and anything else for this season. Typical.
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4/16/2007  6:54 PM

The Knicks are lucky there isnt a lower grade than F, to give. The whole org, front office moves and complaining of injuries are enough to make you laugh that Bulls can get top 1-4 pick
from NY being this bad.
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4/16/2007  9:04 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

An F for am lottery team without a lottery pick seems about right.
The Isiah apologists will enter blaming Larry Brown, racism, Scott Layden, sexual harassment, fans, injuries, conspiracies, and anything else for this season. Typical.
Without a lottery pick for the second consecutive year! And it looks like another high lottery pick

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4/17/2007  9:57 AM
Is that grade based on the offseason moves that included Curry or based on what we saw this year?
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