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Starks3
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3/19/2003  4:03 PM
I know alot of you guys are thinking ahaead and for the future, but the Knicks have not been this close to the playoffs since the 2000-2001 season. I will never cheer for the Knicks to lose and if you are a real knicks fan you would'nt either. The draft is just a bunch of young kids that know one knows what they will do. As we play on I look more toward the present and the playoffs then the future where we dont draft anyone that can help us and we wont get younger. Its just not going to happen, so all of you banwagon fans better jump on for a frantic finish to an already suprising season that has brought more lows then highs, but I think the best is yet to come.
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3/19/2003  8:33 PM
The scent of the 8th seed is intoxicating... If they get within a game, I'll give in and root them into the playoffs...But half of me is still wondering who we'll get to compliment Dyess next year...

present and future - 'worlds are colliding'...
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3/19/2003  11:58 PM
tonight, one step forward, two steps backward
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3/20/2003  9:29 AM
Chris Kaman if he slips to number 9 or 10 which I highly doubt. I watched the game on ESPN and this kid has indreible skills for a college player. If there was someone to compare him to is maybe Tim Duncan maybe in his sophomore year of Wake Forest. He has the inside out game with a frame where he can add some weight. He not skinny or big but he has room to grow. Passing is his downfall but does everything else very well. He runs the floor like guard. Bring energy to the game.
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3/21/2003  11:45 PM
Posted by falcindor:

Chris Kaman if he slips to number 9 or 10 which I highly doubt. I watched the game on ESPN and this kid has indreible skills for a college player. If there was someone to compare him to is maybe Tim Duncan maybe in his sophomore year of Wake Forest. He has the inside out game with a frame where he can add some weight. He not skinny or big but he has room to grow. Passing is his downfall but does everything else very well. He runs the floor like guard. Bring energy to the game.

The probelm with him is the competition he's facing.. He hasn't battle anyone half decent... Take a good look. Hopefully he can prove us wrong against Duke..
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3/22/2003  12:04 PM
Duke won't really be a very good barometer because they don't really havea ny good big men. Regardelss, since the subject is playoffs, this is a good article I recommend:
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/simmons/030321.html
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Starks3
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3/22/2003  2:40 PM
Still there is so much talk about the draft. But with the Knicks getting closer to the playoffs i would like a little more talk about that. I mean we are all Knicks fans, how come no one is acting like it.
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3/22/2003  4:53 PM
Until Knicks are in the drivers seat, we assume we are going to lottery. If we can make the playoffs I think it would be a HUGE accomplishment. Knicks have one of the shortest team ive seen in my lifetime. Knicks are playing on eart.
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3/22/2003  6:39 PM
i've been pulling for the playoffs all along, constantly arguing with my friends who say this team isn't good enough what good will it do to make it as an 8th seed. However, there's something about playing a playoff game at the garden and the knicks are a team that has proven they can upset anyone. Just look at poor Miami. Plus...i dont think a pick after the 3rd or 4th pick will get much playing time with the knicks right away. With all that said lets hope they win tonight. They never win 2nd games of back to backs and I hate playing chicago at their place. We'll just have to wait and see
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3/23/2003  10:05 AM
one step forward, two steps backwards... tremble
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3/23/2003  12:08 PM
alright nevermind the playoffs lol
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3/23/2003  7:41 PM
I WANT PLAYOFFS!! Knicks could still make it...
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3/23/2003  8:34 PM
Ill tell you this-if the Knicks dont pay attention to the player pipeline--we are going to experience years upon years of potential crp teams. We dont have 23 year old Tracy Mcgrady to help the team in case our Grant Hill Mcdyess doesnt comeback. EVERYONE on the team is in their 30s with nothing in the pipeline and it loks like milos [from what i read yesterday is leaning heavily towards playing for Real Madrid. yes the Knicks can help out another club by giving them Wards contract and our draft pick for someone like Andre miller who cant shoot and pay him 70mm over 8 years.

The management is just not savvy and they are playing with fire--does houston turn into sprewell next year? I dont know but they are all quickly headed for mid thirties while guys like Eddie Curry and Jamal crawford will be going around them like swiss cheese/

This is a VERY mediocre team that is getting older quick.

What this team needs is to somehow hope Cleveland lands lebron[well hopefully we will land a lottery] and we go out and trade for Ricky Davis for KT and a future number 1--do what it takes to find a club in front of us like the bulls who dont need a center who may want to switch draft picks if we throw in Denvers pick--and we use Wards contract and the other second rounder to sign and trade for Juwan Howard and lastly sign a big young point guard like antonio daniels.

That would be
kaman 7-0 260 21
davis 6-7 190 24
Howard 6-9 260 30
Daniels 6-4 27

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3/23/2003  10:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Ill tell you this-if the Knicks dont pay attention to the player pipeline--we are going to experience years upon years of potential crp teams. We dont have 23 year old Tracy Mcgrady to help the team in case our Grant Hill Mcdyess doesnt comeback. EVERYONE on the team is in their 30s with nothing in the pipeline and it loks like milos [from what i read yesterday is leaning heavily towards playing for Real Madrid. yes the Knicks can help out another club by giving them Wards contract and our draft pick for someone like Andre miller who cant shoot and pay him 70mm over 8 years.

The management is just not savvy and they are playing with fire--does houston turn into sprewell next year? I dont know but they are all quickly headed for mid thirties while guys like Eddie Curry and Jamal crawford will be going around them like swiss cheese/

This is a VERY mediocre team that is getting older quick.

What this team needs is to somehow hope Cleveland lands lebron[well hopefully we will land a lottery] and we go out and trade for Ricky Davis for KT and a future number 1--do what it takes to find a club in front of us like the bulls who dont need a center who may want to switch draft picks if we throw in Denvers pick--and we use Wards contract and the other second rounder to sign and trade for Juwan Howard and lastly sign a big young point guard like antonio daniels.

That would be
kaman 7-0 260 21
davis 6-7 190 24
Howard 6-9 260 30
Daniels 6-4 27
kaman wasn't that good in the tourney (NCAA's)

davis is over-rated. he's not on McGrady's level, or even Vince's. Davis doesn't play defense. He's not a team leader, has a "me first" attitude, and has a lot of opportunity to play and therein score on a cleveland team where there really are no other options, with DaJuan Wagner injured - and still in his rookie campaign. I don't think Davis would be much more than a Shandon Anderson in NY, sorry.

Howard... hmm, he's good, but really not the piece we're looking for.

Daniels, he's a 6'4" SG. We don't need him. He's not the answer.

You're right though - we need youth. That's why supposedly we have Milos on the way, Frank Williams, a promising PG, who hopefully will pan out in a few years. We have Othella, while not getting any better, is still young. Lee Nailon, he's young, offensively talented, doesn't play defense, but at least we got him in here, a 6'9" SF, who hasn't been able to beat out SHANDON ANDERSON for playing time. Trust me, if Nailon were any good, he'd get playing time over Shandon. I mean, the guy is 6'9", he should be able to play defense at the SF spot. I think we also brought Nailon in as insurance if Spree/Anderson/Houston got injured.

Tell me who is available that we could/should get.

Howard? Yeah, but where would he play?
SF? What about spree? Bench him? Sure, that'd go over well. I'm not saying that spree is more talented, but still...

Houston is at the SG spot until he gets traded (don't laugh) or when his contract runs out.

Dyess is our PF until his contract is up. We need the most help at PF, and I say we draft our next stud with our #10 pick.

Center position, what free agents/ tradeable young "STUDS" are out there and available? I say we should try and get Kwame, even though he's not a PF, but Kwame should be a stud sometime, and whatever we can do to get him would be great.

That's about it. SG? Yeah, let's draft some stud, but how are we going to get him and fill our PF spot and our Center spot?

Let's see if Milos is all he's been made out to be.
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3/25/2003  12:53 AM
the concept of the moves are to provide more balance in terms of size speed skill athletic ability and age. they are synergestic


let me explain--number 1 Ricky Davis-now we know hes been immature at times and has done a few antics and quite possibly has worn out his welcome in Cleveland. Cleveland is likely to land either of bron or anthony--probabilty is in the 75% range. We can offer them Kurt Thomas which would make a ton of sense since they only have boozer and Thomas's contract is 3 years shorter than Davis. Im sure they would like to win sometime this millenium but you have to have a combination of vets and young players to do it. they need to change the whole atmosphere in Cleveland and KT is a perfect high quality piece with matching salaries.
That leads into Howard. There will be plenty of teams willing to ante up a bit for Howard. What we can offer Denver is Ward their second round pick back and Frank Williams+3mm$ to payoff the ward buyout and the next year on williams contract and we would be able to offer Howard a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract which
is fair market value for him + it would likely blow away any contender for his services-money talks.


If we do not move in Milos---we offer the full MLE to Andre Miller first and put it on the table day 1 of FA-if he signs it great--if not--we move on to antonio daniels who is a 6-4 POINT GUaRD.

Lastly we take either Perkins or Kaman for a center. If we needed to move up a few slots to get the center-we just have to make the deal happen-especially with a club like Chicago who already has a center. We can throw in a resticted future number 1 or the other second rounder to move up.


That could net us
kaman 7-0 260 21 years
Howard 6-9 260 30 years old
davis 6-7 190 23 years old
and either Miller 6-2 200 27
or Daniels 6-4 210 27

and if you integrate that with what we have --we have gotten younger bigger longer more athletic and also have a core developed underneath the exsisting one.

we get rid of
Nailon
ward
williams
Thomas
postell

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3/25/2003  9:18 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

the concept of the moves are to provide more balance in terms of size speed skill athletic ability and age. they are synergestic


let me explain--number 1 Ricky Davis-now we know hes been immature at times and has done a few antics and quite possibly has worn out his welcome in Cleveland. Cleveland is likely to land either of bron or anthony--probabilty is in the 75% range. We can offer them Kurt Thomas which would make a ton of sense since they only have boozer and Thomas's contract is 3 years shorter than Davis. Im sure they would like to win sometime this millenium but you have to have a combination of vets and young players to do it. they need to change the whole atmosphere in Cleveland and KT is a perfect high quality piece with matching salaries.
That leads into Howard. There will be plenty of teams willing to ante up a bit for Howard. What we can offer Denver is Ward their second round pick back and Frank Williams+3mm$ to payoff the ward buyout and the next year on williams contract and we would be able to offer Howard a 3 year 22.5mm $ contract which
is fair market value for him + it would likely blow away any contender for his services-money talks.


If we do not move in Milos---we offer the full MLE to Andre Miller first and put it on the table day 1 of FA-if he signs it great--if not--we move on to antonio daniels who is a 6-4 POINT GUaRD.

Lastly we take either Perkins or Kaman for a center. If we needed to move up a few slots to get the center-we just have to make the deal happen-especially with a club like Chicago who already has a center. We can throw in a resticted future number 1 or the other second rounder to move up.


That could net us
kaman 7-0 260 21 years
Howard 6-9 260 30 years old
davis 6-7 190 23 years old
and either Miller 6-2 200 27
or Daniels 6-4 210 27

and if you integrate that with what we have --we have gotten younger bigger longer more athletic and also have a core developed underneath the exsisting one.

we get rid of
Nailon
ward
williams
Thomas
postell
honestly, thomas is more valuable than having howard. i doubt that howard could play the 5 spot. he's a SF/PF. furthermore, i think that howard and ricky davis and now andre miller are players that can't be successful in a winning situation because they've been losing and developed poor games because of that.

I don't mind getting rid of nailon (he's been wasting away all season), postell (the same), ward (only to make room for milos).

I'd like to hold on to williams to see if he's a baller. give the guy a few years. I'd also like to hold onto thomas, as he's solid as a starter or off the bench.
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