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EnySpree
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4/12/2007  7:36 PM
Knicks guards can't make a entry, but eddy curry isn't exactly making himself a good target.

The problem shouldn't be about the passer. I remember John starks used to talk about where ewing wanted the ball. There were certain ways to give it to the big fella. Ewing still had to go get that mofo. Ewing had a move according to how he got the ball. He used the defender against himself.

Its not just ewing cuz all the great centers had their own thing.

Curry is often compared to shaq. Shaq never just sits there hoping the passer can get it to his hands. Shaq likes to take the pass and imediately make his move with sheer power not like no puss. He wouldn't drop the shoulder. Everything us power then over the top, not through.

Also curry never makes use of his pivot before he makes his move. He also doesn't give head fakes. He commits to everything.

He drops 43 against the puss ball inside of the bucks. Then he gets confused and exposed against Chicago.

Everyone speaks of a jumpshot when they talk about improving. Yeah that would be nice. Before he thinks he us pat ewing for real he needs to first learn that the entry pass us a free ball as soon as it leave the hand of the passer. Eddy curry has to go get that. He has to try and get the angle on his defender with his legs and body rather than his elbow BEFORE he gets the ball. To me that is the bottom line. He's gotta get some more moves in there, meaning pivots and head fakes. More angles and ball handling. He goes across the lane beautifully but rarely uses that. He has a nice touch but he rarely tries to shoot the conventional jumper.

I love curry cuz of what I can imagine him becoming but I think he already thinks he already made it.

I hope he can continue to get better cuz post passing us n pt about the point guard. Its about the center telling the guard where to put it in practice and for him to go out and get it.

I'm rambling a little.

From my experience playing in the post, I tell the passer where to put it. I can feel how the defense us playing me and I make those adjustment. If I can sense its not a good idea to have a pass come my way cuz of swarming defense I make that call and waive it off.

What are your thoughts?
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4/12/2007  9:06 PM
I don't understand how a player on this team who has been playing organized ball since they were 5 years old can't make a pass to the post.
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4/12/2007  10:49 PM
Posted by BigC:

I don't understand how a player on this team who has been playing organized ball since they were 5 years old can't make a pass to the post.

I agree. And Eddy has soft hands. Way softer than Patrick's. Get it close and he gets it.

But he seems to like it high and our guards keep sending it low. And they telegraph it. They try to get 5 feet from him and stand still, like they're gonna underhand lob it to a 3 year old. Naturally it gets picked off.
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4/12/2007  11:19 PM
I don't know how this fits in with this discussion, but how often does the pass to curry get picked off from behind him by the post defender that reaches around.

Curry is wide, but he doesn't seem to have long arms that get the ball.
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4/13/2007  8:43 AM
A LOT of the problem is Curry. He's not really sealing off his man as well as he should. He also has to present himself in such a way that the passer has a good target to pass too. THEN he has to sometimes go get the ball by moving forward just a bit. Too often we see the pass lobbed to him and then tipped away by the defender behind him. Curry has to be thinking keep away long before he gets the ball. It also shows that once he gets it, he often does't now how to protect the ball from double teams. The defenders seem to be able to just reach in and tie him up quite easily. When he holds the ball up above his head there's not much extension on that. I would guess like Franco12 is right. Curry's wide but his actual arm length seems to be ordinary. He can't play keep away with the ball like many Centers can do by fully extending his arms.
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4/13/2007  9:16 AM
I'm finding references that state eddy's wingspan is 7'6"- this compared to Renaldo Balkman's 7'1".

Despite his width, if he does have any length, he doesn't use it.
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4/13/2007  9:24 AM
I have seen on numerous occasions where Curry does seal off his man but the guards are just too impatient and as soon as the entry pass is there, they swing the ball to the other side. The only players I see that can deliver the ball to Eddy was Crawford and Q and to a certain degree Collins. I think Mardy just needs more time with Eddy to get his sweet spots. Marbury, Francis and Nate just does not know how to make an entry pass or refuses to make a good one so they have an excuse for a perimeter oriented offense.
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4/13/2007  9:24 AM
I recal about mid season last year that eddy when moving and getting the ball was unstoppable. Larry had worked with our guards to get this going.

This was not easy for our shoot first guards, especially GrumpBury.

But there were flashes. Im sure Isiah has promoted this but it requires Eddy really busting his tail.

I think Eddy has made big progress in this area. First off his staminia is better and thus less stupid fouls and less injury. Since Fatique reduces the abilty to think its important he keep getting stronger.

Isiah has done a good job this year with Eddy. There are flashes. There is hope. Just not this year.
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4/13/2007  9:25 AM
good post Eny. He has to find a way for the passer to get him the ball. He does stand around too much.
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4/13/2007  9:29 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

good post Eny. He has to find a way for the passer to get him the ball. He does stand around too much.


He starts standing around when he does not get the ball when he is busting his butt to get position only to have the guards swing the ball to the other side.
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4/13/2007  9:48 AM
I agree the other player in the nba that has a wider ass is sweetney, bury your big body into your man and get some position, curry can't do anything right is it that hard to get position to make things easy....

Disgraceful you can't make the entry pass, it comes from one on one selfish basketball that most of these guys played their entire lives
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4/13/2007  11:37 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I have seen on numerous occasions where Curry does seal off his man but the guards are just too impatient and as soon as the entry pass is there, they swing the ball to the other side. The only players I see that can deliver the ball to Eddy was Crawford and Q and to a certain degree Collins. I think Mardy just needs more time with Eddy to get his sweet spots. Marbury, Francis and Nate just does not know how to make an entry pass or refuses to make a good one so they have an excuse for a perimeter oriented offense.

Agree- I've noticed this as well.

I think the issue is that none of our guys have fundamental basketball skills. They need to buy the dvd that gets hawked on NBATV- all of them. Curry, Marbury, Crawford, Jeffries.
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4/13/2007  12:06 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Knicks guards can't make a entry, but eddy curry isn't exactly making himself a good target.

The problem shouldn't be about the passer. I remember John starks used to talk about where ewing wanted the ball. There were certain ways to give it to the big fella. Ewing still had to go get that mofo. Ewing had a move according to how he got the ball. He used the defender against himself.

Its not just ewing cuz all the great centers had their own thing.

Curry is often compared to shaq. Shaq never just sits there hoping the passer can get it to his hands. Shaq likes to take the pass and imediately make his move with sheer power not like no puss. He wouldn't drop the shoulder. Everything us power then over the top, not through.

Also curry never makes use of his pivot before he makes his move. He also doesn't give head fakes. He commits to everything.

He drops 43 against the puss ball inside of the bucks. Then he gets confused and exposed against Chicago.

Everyone speaks of a jumpshot when they talk about improving. Yeah that would be nice. Before he thinks he us pat ewing for real he needs to first learn that the entry pass us a free ball as soon as it leave the hand of the passer. Eddy curry has to go get that. He has to try and get the angle on his defender with his legs and body rather than his elbow BEFORE he gets the ball. To me that is the bottom line. He's gotta get some more moves in there, meaning pivots and head fakes. More angles and ball handling. He goes across the lane beautifully but rarely uses that. He has a nice touch but he rarely tries to shoot the conventional jumper.

I love curry cuz of what I can imagine him becoming but I think he already thinks he already made it.

I hope he can continue to get better cuz post passing us n pt about the point guard. Its about the center telling the guard where to put it in practice and for him to go out and get it.

I'm rambling a little.

From my experience playing in the post, I tell the passer where to put it. I can feel how the defense us playing me and I make those adjustment. If I can sense its not a good idea to have a pass come my way cuz of swarming defense I make that call and waive it off.

What are your thoughts?

It's the passer and the post up player. It's a team effort. They all need to get better. There are many times where Eddie doesn't fight for position. Many times because he is out of shape and can't fight anymore. There are also many times where he has perfect position and we simply can't get him the ball.
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4/13/2007  12:53 PM
Posted by franco12:

I'm finding references that state eddy's wingspan is 7'6"- this compared to Renaldo Balkman's 7'1".

Despite his width, if he does have any length, he doesn't use it.

If that is Eddy's wingspan, it would probably qualify as one of the five or six longest in the NBA.
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4/13/2007  12:54 PM
He just doesn't take advantage of his physical gifts.
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4/13/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

He just doesn't take advantage of his physical gifts.

That's why he's one of the most disappointing players in the league. I hold higher standards for him than for some unathletic guy like Travis Knight. (And I'm referring to the complete game not just low-post scoring in single coverage.)
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