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Is Balkman better than Lee ? or Can he ?
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Michael6835
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4/11/2007  10:12 AM
Can Balkman be better than DLee ?

What a great position to be in from a team standpoint. We know how good Lee is

Lee: Positives
Rebounds, Soft hands, can pass and finish around the hoop, scrappy all hustle player, free throw shooting, power forward frame.

Lee : Negatives (needs to improve)
Jumpshot
Perimeter D (He can not guard anyone on the perimeter)


Balkman is equally as good with a few different positive and negatives from DLEE.
Balkman: Positives
Rebounds, Can dribble the basketball in the open court (something Ariza couldnt do), can finish on fast breaks, scrappy all hustle player, Small Forward Frame, can play Defense on the perimeter as well as the block.

Balkman : Negatives
Jumpshot
Free Throw Shooting.


Assuming they both improve in their weak spots, which one would you keep (In a perfect world, I keep both, but let's just say we could only keep one)

My choice
If they both improved in there weak spots, I would have to take Balkman. I feel he is more well rounded and with a jumpshot can be molded into a Scottie Pippen type of player. Lee will be good, but I like the fact that Balkman has more flexibility is that you can put him on block (against smaller bigmen) or throw him on the wing. Plus the fact that he can rebound and then start the fast break with decent ball handle makes him my choice. (if i had to choose)
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4/11/2007  10:33 AM
Balkman can become better than Lee, but I am more concerned with both of them developing their games. If Lee can improve his defense and Balkman can improve his jumpshot, I think they are the perfect compliment to Curry.
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4/11/2007  10:38 AM
I have really been thinking about this one and i believe the only way to get garnett would be to give up david lee my favorite player, followed by balkman. But if it was proposed

Outgoing
Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.5 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutes
Incoming
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 37.2 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 26.3 minutes
David Lee
6-9 SF from Florida
10.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 29.8 minutes


Francis/Collins
Crawford/Nate
Balkman/Q
Garnett/Jefferies
Curry/James

Would you do that deal?

Or this one which I could see Isiah doing

Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS)
19.6 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes
Incoming
Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
10.2 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26.3 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 26.3 minutes
David Lee
6-9 SF from Florida
10.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 29.8 minutes


Marbury/Collins
Crawford/Nate
Balkman/Q
JO/Jefferies
Curry

Indy would do that deal in a heartbeat
Ira
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4/11/2007  10:52 AM
They're both very good rebounders, but Lee is better of the boards. Balkman is much better defensively. Both are good passers, but I'd give Lee the edge there. Also, by looking at what they do from the foul line, I think Lee has more potential as an outside shooter.
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4/11/2007  11:05 AM
Posted by Ira:

They're both very good rebounders, but Lee is better of the boards. Balkman is much better defensively. Both are good passers, but I'd give Lee the edge there. Also, by looking at what they do from the foul line, I think Lee has more potential as an outside shooter.

Actually Balkman per minutes is a better rebounder, Balkman is a better defender (showing the ability to guard 3 positions), Balkman is a better playmaker, is a better ball handler, a better slasher, has shown the ability to actually hit 3 point shots and shots beyond 15 feet, Balkman FTs have improved at a dramatic rate. While I like Lee, Balkman has displayed ability similar to Gerald Wallace.
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4/11/2007  11:30 AM
Both players are good prospects for PF and SF positions respecively.
It is no point to compare players playing different positions.
Who is better KG or Kobe? Pointless question.
Next season will tell the story for Lee. Next 2 for Balk.
As per traiding for KG or other star - this is marketing decision and included players potential is irrelevant.
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4/11/2007  11:30 AM
Sometimes i think you are on drugs, the gerald wallace comparison is fair they have a very similar skill set, but balkman is not the better playmaker, he hasn't shown the ability to hit the jumper, Eddy Curry has shown the ability to hit the three too....

They are both very valuable and it would be stupid to trade either of them if your not getting back an allstar in return. Hustle players that play hard are not easy to find especially finishers, which they both are....
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4/11/2007  11:49 AM
Posted by MS:

Sometimes i think you are on drugs, the gerald wallace comparison is fair they have a very similar skill set, but balkman is not the better playmaker, he hasn't shown the ability to hit the jumper, Eddy Curry has shown the ability to hit the three too....

They are both very valuable and it would be stupid to trade either of them if your not getting back an allstar in return. Hustle players that play hard are not easy to find especially finishers, which they both are....

MS, I didn't come up with that comparison. I read it on the Raptors and Bobcats forum. I don't want Lee to be the better playmaker. I want him to continue do what he is doing and improve on it. I want him be an excellent rebounder and score near the basket. I would like him to defend 4. What I am saying that Balkman has more versatility to his game than Lee. I want Lee to play the 4 and be done with it. Did you watch Balkman during the NIT last year or much of the SEC. I watched Balkman hit outside shots. He doesn't have a good stroke but he can hit outside shots. He isn't a pull up shooter. He is a set shooter.
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4/11/2007  11:50 AM
They're both players that winning teams need. Lee seems to be the smarter rebounder however. He really seems to know his angles and is more fundamental in that aspect. Balkman seems to just fly anywhere he can to grab one - which is not necessarily a bad thing. It often seems like he gets pushed around in the box. He is very good at ducking around the box out on the offensive glass though.
Look for Balkman next year. I would not be surprised to see him make a Lee like jump this offseason.
I remember Balkman hitting the few 3's he took early on this season on a fairly consistant note. I'm hoping with a summer of practicing his jumper, he can atleast develop a midrange...atleast to keep the defense honst.
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4/11/2007  11:50 AM
MS- I can definitely see Isiah going after JO. However,I don't see Minny taking back Marbury if they are shipping out KG. They will be in rebuild mode, so it wouldn't make sense to take on the disgruntled Marbury.
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4/11/2007  1:22 PM
I like both, I would not mind plugging in Lee at PF, and balkman at SF and then getting a big SG who can score. Both guys along with mardy are a jumper away from becomming very good players...
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4/11/2007  1:26 PM


SEC basketball. Florida vs. USC

[Edited by - pharzeone on 11-04-2007 1:29 PM]
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4/11/2007  2:25 PM
It's hard to believe Balkman is a rookie and playing so well. Sort of like Lee last year. I think we are in a great position with both of them. They both are intelligent players, Lee in particular has seemed to adapt quickly (ie. Free throw shooting and better numbers). So, let's see what Balkman brings next year. Balkman has been so solid, I can just imagine him next year. Lee will probably be solid like before (with more jumper in the O) but let's just hope his leg heals...

As others have mentioned, they can co-exist as I don't see them as needing to play the same position when their on the court at the same time. And with Balkmans flexibility guarding many positions, he's easy to get in the game (given that we need to put some offense out there with him).

Next year...
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4/11/2007  4:51 PM
I think Balkman is better than Lee because he plays defense. Got to love a defender. But i think his lanky frames gives him the advantage on defense. I hope he doesnt bulk up too much like Frye in the summer did and becomes a bust. But its great that we have to great HUSTLING players like Lee and Balkman on our team. Now we need some hustlers with jumpshots.
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4/11/2007  5:05 PM
We definatly need a top tier, 2 way, outside shooting, SG. And a skilled shooting role player at G/F as insurance for Q.

I would say we can dangle Fyre, Nate, & the #23-25 pick to either move up in the draft to land one. Or get someone who is availabe and already out there.

We probably will have to buy-out Francis.
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4/11/2007  5:20 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

We definatly need a top tier, 2 way, outside shooting, SG. And a skilled shooting role player at G/F as insurance for Q.

I would say we can dangle Fyre, Nate, & the #23-25 pick to either move up in the draft to land one. Or get someone who is availabe and already out there.

We probably will have to buy-out Francis.

Nick Young or Rodney Stuckey would be good pick ups

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4/11/2007  5:32 PM
I see Lee and Balkman as hybrids forwards, with Lee more like a PF and Balkman more like a SF. Both of them are elite finishers.

Lee already proved this season that he's a starting quality NBA player capable of putting up a double-double w/o having plays called for him regularly. The only question mark on him is how long it'll take for his ankle to heal. I think his defense is average, but he makes up for it with his great tangible production. Pencil him in for 30mpg, and he'll get you 10ppg/10rpg, with a few assists, blocks, and steals. I think his good but not great size/athleticism as a PF limit his upside.

Balkman probably has higher upside as an NBA player. The only thing Balkman lacks compared to Lee are an inch or so of height and free throw shooting. Balkman's shooting form looks pretty good, so a lot of it comes down to confidence and more reps. Lee's FT% bumped up 58% as a rookie to 80% as a second year player. Balkman's a superior athlete and has the lateral quickness and anticipation to be a lock-down defender. He also seems to have guard-like ball-handling confidence. He seems very fast from end-to-end for a player his size. Really, everything we say about him is a lot like what we said about Trevor Ariza, but better.

Lee was our best player in the 2006 summer league games... and I think we'll see some new wrinkles in Balkman (and Mardy's) games. How Balkman progresses really has more to do with how much playing time is available with Jared Jeffries and Q-Rich also in the mix at SF. I think in many people's eyes, he's certainly a better fit at SF than Jeffries.

Maybe Jeffries should end up playing more PF/C instead.

I think both of these guys make excellent trade bait in the event a veteran big man or swingman becomes available... but it'd be nice to see both of them stick around here.
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4/11/2007  5:34 PM
It'd be very tough grabbing Jermaine O'Neal, based on the Bird/Isiah relationship. Neither guy wants the other to fail as much these two. :)

(okay, maybe LJ and Mourning had the same type of bad blood...)
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4/11/2007  6:15 PM
isn't Lee really a PF who has been almost exclusively playing SF since he got here, while Balkman has got to play his natural position much more often
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4/11/2007  9:03 PM
I think the guy with two legs next year will probably be the better player.
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