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4/11/2007  8:29 AM
his agent revealed he's going to have an MRI and CAT scan to figure out why his leg is healing so slowly.

misdiagnosis, coming back too soon, etc?

also it's a little wierd that Balkman was listed as out with a stomache virus vs Detroit and now they're saying it was a sore groin.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04112007/sports/knicks/lee_likely_done_for_season_knicks_marc_berman.htm
LEE LIKELY DONE FOR SEASON
By MARC BERMAN
April 11, 2007 -- CHICAGO - In another scary medical development, David Lee did not make the trip to Chicago last night because he was scheduled to undergo a battery of tests to figure out why his leg has healed so slowly, according to Lee's Chicago-based agent Mark Bartlestein.

Lee was last diagnosed with a stress reaction, which is a precursor to a stress fracture. The concern is that Lee's lower leg has developed into a stress fracture. An MRI and CAT-scan were expected to be performed.

Lee is likely out for the season.

"You don't want to damage your future by doing something in the present right now," said Thomas, who declined to reveal that Lee will undergo more testing.

Jamal Crawford was diagnosed with a stress fracture in late February after it was not diagnosed for weeks.

"I think that's what they're trying to find out with the tests [on Lee], why it's still hurting so much," Bartlestein told The Post.

Lee's situation since after the All-Star Break has been a mess. He met with Dr. Lisa Callahan Sunday after he had to pull himself out of the game Saturday in Milwaukee after three minutes. Limping throughout his stint, Lee said afterward he was in tremendous amount of pain on every step.


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Renaldo Balkman did not make the trip to Chicago, missing his second straight game with a sore groin. He will play Friday. Stephon Marbury did not play last night due to turf toe. . . . This was the first meeting with Bulls center Ben Wallace since he hooked up with Marbury to endorse his Starbury collection discount sneakers. Big Ben will have his own line of sneakers but it will be under the "Starbury" name. . . . Thomas on Tyrus Thomas, whom the Bulls selected with the Knicks' second pick: "He's good and he's gonna be good," Isiah said. "What he showed in college I expect for him to show in the pros." Though Tyrus Thomas has come on the last month because of his pure athletic ability, he's been labeled an attitude problem with a questionable commitment.
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4/11/2007  8:37 AM
this should have happened weeks ago, once again
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4/11/2007  10:08 AM
So he wasn't physically ready when the Knicks crack medical staff cleared him to play, not once but twice.
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4/11/2007  10:32 AM
. The concern is that Lee's lower leg has developed into a stress fracture.
I can't believe how ****ing stupid they were to encourage or even allow him to come back too soon
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4/11/2007  10:52 AM
Well, now we know where Dolan cuts costs to spend $150 mil on player salaries.
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4/11/2007  11:33 AM
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Well, now we know where Dolan cuts costs to spend $150 mil on player salaries.

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4/11/2007  11:55 AM
Man I just hope Lee is gonna be alright. I hope SOMEONE can figure out what is wrong with him. You know he had INDEPENDENT medical exams done. So it's not like this is all to blame on the Knick Doc's. Also David doesn't HAVE to play if he can't go. Even if the Doc's clear him he is the final authority on how much pain he's in. If I was Isiah I wouldn't have let him play again anyway. I would've made him prove that he could play without pain 1st. If I saw him wince just once that would be it.

It's odd cuz you'd think that someone would be able to figure out why he isn't getting better. How many MRI and scans does it take to see if something isn't right?
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4/11/2007  11:57 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Man I just hope Lee is gonna be alright. I hope SOMEONE can figure out what is wrong with him. You know he had INDEPENDENT medical exams done. So it's not like this is all to blame on the Knick Doc's. Also David doesn't HAVE to play if he can't go. Even if the Doc's clear him he is the final authority on how much pain he's in. If I was Isiah I wouldn't have let him play again anyway. I would've made him prove that he could play without pain 1st. If I saw him wince just once that would be it.

It's odd cuz you'd think that someone would be able to figure out why he isn't getting better. How many MRI and scans does it take to see if something isn't right?

Do you know for a fact he had INDEPENDENT medical examinations?

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4/11/2007  12:02 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Man I just hope Lee is gonna be alright. I hope SOMEONE can figure out what is wrong with him. You know he had INDEPENDENT medical exams done. So it's not like this is all to blame on the Knick Doc's. Also David doesn't HAVE to play if he can't go. Even if the Doc's clear him he is the final authority on how much pain he's in. If I was Isiah I wouldn't have let him play again anyway. I would've made him prove that he could play without pain 1st. If I saw him wince just once that would be it.

It's odd cuz you'd think that someone would be able to figure out why he isn't getting better. How many MRI and scans does it take to see if something isn't right?

Do you know for a fact he had INDEPENDENT medical examinations?

I think he went to see his own doctor. But we don't know what that doctor told him about returning to play.
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4/11/2007  12:09 PM
If Lee turns out to have some new diagnosis, then we have to fire whoever the moron of a team doctor we have...seriously, how can you be wrong everytime??
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4/11/2007  12:10 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Man I just hope Lee is gonna be alright. I hope SOMEONE can figure out what is wrong with him. You know he had INDEPENDENT medical exams done. So it's not like this is all to blame on the Knick Doc's. Also David doesn't HAVE to play if he can't go. Even if the Doc's clear him he is the final authority on how much pain he's in. If I was Isiah I wouldn't have let him play again anyway. I would've made him prove that he could play without pain 1st. If I saw him wince just once that would be it.

It's odd cuz you'd think that someone would be able to figure out why he isn't getting better. How many MRI and scans does it take to see if something isn't right?

Do you know for a fact he had INDEPENDENT medical examinations?

This seems like it was a tricky injury. From looking at it i would never have thought it would be what it's turned out to be. It looked like your standard ankle sprain. While I can understand the Knicks Doc's looking in the wrong place originally, understand that i'm not clearing the Knicks medical staff for getting it wrong in the 1st place, but since then he's had other medical opinions:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nba/blog/2007/03/david_lee_could_miss_34_more_w.html

"Lee’s prognosis was proved to be significantly worse after he received a second opinion from Dr. David Porter in Indianapolis yesterday. Lee could miss 3-4 more weeks, putting him dangerously close to missing the rest of the regular season, with what a CT scan proved is “something in between a bad bone bruise and a stress fracture.”

Lee initially was told by the Knicks’ medical staff that the injury he sustained from landing on Milwaukee center Andrew Bogut’s foot on Feb. 23 was a high ankle sprain that would keep him out for “days, not weeks.”

After practice today, Lee spent as much time defending the Knicks’ medical staff and blaming himself for his slow recovery as he did talking about the injury itself.

And unfortunately for the Knicks, who desperately need Lee’s rebounding and energy off the bench to hold onto the eighth playoff spot, the prognosis could get even worse before this is over. Porter, orthopedic consultant to the Indianapolis Colts, Indiana University, and Purdue University, is still reviewing Lee’s MRI results.

“The doctor in Indianapolis said that, in his opinion, it could be as much as 3-4 [more] weeks before I was back seeing action,” Lee said. “Although he’s still looking at the MRI’s today, he saw the CT scan that I had as well as the X-rays, and said that he would classify it as something in between a bad bone bruise and a stress fracture.

“Now don’t hear the stress fracture part and go there. It’s more so that you could possibly be classified somewhere similar to a stress reaction. I don’t believe it’s going to be a full stress fracture – and they’re still looking at the MRI – but it’s more going to be along the lines of a stress reaction, something that is similar to a bad bone bruise, and it’s just going to be time that’s going to heal it.”

Lee said Porter indicated that none of the shooting and conditioning work he’s been doing since the injury have hurt his recovery, that there will be no limitations on what he’ll be able to do once he comes back, and that there’s little risk of re-injuring the leg."

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4/11/2007  12:34 PM
I have a lot of confidence in Lee & the Knicks medical staff. I believe Lee will come back next year and be the best one-legged rebounder the league has ever seen.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 04-11-2007 12:35]
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4/11/2007  1:02 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Man I just hope Lee is gonna be alright. I hope SOMEONE can figure out what is wrong with him. You know he had INDEPENDENT medical exams done. So it's not like this is all to blame on the Knick Doc's. Also David doesn't HAVE to play if he can't go. Even if the Doc's clear him he is the final authority on how much pain he's in. If I was Isiah I wouldn't have let him play again anyway. I would've made him prove that he could play without pain 1st. If I saw him wince just once that would be it.

It's odd cuz you'd think that someone would be able to figure out why he isn't getting better. How many MRI and scans does it take to see if something isn't right?

Do you know for a fact he had INDEPENDENT medical examinations?

This seems like it was a tricky injury. From looking at it i would never have thought it would be what it's turned out to be. It looked like your standard ankle sprain. While I can understand the Knicks Doc's looking in the wrong place originally, understand that i'm not clearing the Knicks medical staff for getting it wrong in the 1st place, but since then he's had other medical opinions:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nba/blog/2007/03/david_lee_could_miss_34_more_w.html

"Lee’s prognosis was proved to be significantly worse after he received a second opinion from Dr. David Porter in Indianapolis yesterday. Lee could miss 3-4 more weeks, putting him dangerously close to missing the rest of the regular season, with what a CT scan proved is “something in between a bad bone bruise and a stress fracture.”

Lee initially was told by the Knicks’ medical staff that the injury he sustained from landing on Milwaukee center Andrew Bogut’s foot on Feb. 23 was a high ankle sprain that would keep him out for “days, not weeks.”

After practice today, Lee spent as much time defending the Knicks’ medical staff and blaming himself for his slow recovery as he did talking about the injury itself.

And unfortunately for the Knicks, who desperately need Lee’s rebounding and energy off the bench to hold onto the eighth playoff spot, the prognosis could get even worse before this is over. Porter, orthopedic consultant to the Indianapolis Colts, Indiana University, and Purdue University, is still reviewing Lee’s MRI results.

“The doctor in Indianapolis said that, in his opinion, it could be as much as 3-4 [more] weeks before I was back seeing action,” Lee said. “Although he’s still looking at the MRI’s today, he saw the CT scan that I had as well as the X-rays, and said that he would classify it as something in between a bad bone bruise and a stress fracture.

“Now don’t hear the stress fracture part and go there. It’s more so that you could possibly be classified somewhere similar to a stress reaction. I don’t believe it’s going to be a full stress fracture – and they’re still looking at the MRI – but it’s more going to be along the lines of a stress reaction, something that is similar to a bad bone bruise, and it’s just going to be time that’s going to heal it.”

Lee said Porter indicated that none of the shooting and conditioning work he’s been doing since the injury have hurt his recovery, that there will be no limitations on what he’ll be able to do once he comes back, and that there’s little risk of re-injuring the leg."

What was tricky? Lee injury or handling of the injury
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4/11/2007  1:08 PM
Lee was hurried back probably to help us prevent giving a top 5 pick to Chicago again. Let's just hope it's not a long-term injury
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4/11/2007  1:12 PM
Posted by arkrud:

What was tricky? Lee injury or handling of the injury

The fact that it LOOKED like a typical ankle sprain but it turned out that it wasn't an ankle sprain that was causing all the pain. You saw him land on Bogut's foot and twist the ankle. We couldn't see the other stresses that were put on the ankle that caused the Bone bruise or stress fracture, or whatever the heck is really wrong. Apparently it's not that clear even on MRI's.
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4/11/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

Man I just hope Lee is gonna be alright. I hope SOMEONE can figure out what is wrong with him. You know he had INDEPENDENT medical exams done. So it's not like this is all to blame on the Knick Doc's. Also David doesn't HAVE to play if he can't go. Even if the Doc's clear him he is the final authority on how much pain he's in. If I was Isiah I wouldn't have let him play again anyway. I would've made him prove that he could play without pain 1st. If I saw him wince just once that would be it.

It's odd cuz you'd think that someone would be able to figure out why he isn't getting better. How many MRI and scans does it take to see if something isn't right?

Do you know for a fact he had INDEPENDENT medical examinations?

This seems like it was a tricky injury. From looking at it i would never have thought it would be what it's turned out to be. It looked like your standard ankle sprain. While I can understand the Knicks Doc's looking in the wrong place originally, understand that i'm not clearing the Knicks medical staff for getting it wrong in the 1st place, but since then he's had other medical opinions:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nba/blog/2007/03/david_lee_could_miss_34_more_w.html

"Lee’s prognosis was proved to be significantly worse after he received a second opinion from Dr. David Porter in Indianapolis yesterday. Lee could miss 3-4 more weeks, putting him dangerously close to missing the rest of the regular season, with what a CT scan proved is “something in between a bad bone bruise and a stress fracture.”

Lee initially was told by the Knicks’ medical staff that the injury he sustained from landing on Milwaukee center Andrew Bogut’s foot on Feb. 23 was a high ankle sprain that would keep him out for “days, not weeks.”

After practice today, Lee spent as much time defending the Knicks’ medical staff and blaming himself for his slow recovery as he did talking about the injury itself.

And unfortunately for the Knicks, who desperately need Lee’s rebounding and energy off the bench to hold onto the eighth playoff spot, the prognosis could get even worse before this is over. Porter, orthopedic consultant to the Indianapolis Colts, Indiana University, and Purdue University, is still reviewing Lee’s MRI results.

“The doctor in Indianapolis said that, in his opinion, it could be as much as 3-4 [more] weeks before I was back seeing action,” Lee said. “Although he’s still looking at the MRI’s today, he saw the CT scan that I had as well as the X-rays, and said that he would classify it as something in between a bad bone bruise and a stress fracture.

“Now don’t hear the stress fracture part and go there. It’s more so that you could possibly be classified somewhere similar to a stress reaction. I don’t believe it’s going to be a full stress fracture – and they’re still looking at the MRI – but it’s more going to be along the lines of a stress reaction, something that is similar to a bad bone bruise, and it’s just going to be time that’s going to heal it.”

Lee said Porter indicated that none of the shooting and conditioning work he’s been doing since the injury have hurt his recovery, that there will be no limitations on what he’ll be able to do once he comes back, and that there’s little risk of re-injuring the leg."

How does any of that explain that after he came back early once, he was activated again and was noticeably limping and wincing in pain but was allowed to finish that game and then a part of another game before they finally realized that what they were doing was completely asinine.
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4/11/2007  1:18 PM
I thought Lee was dying to play and Isiah was holding him back?

Why not just say it was bad luck and no one anticipated the severity of the injury? Even Lee thought it was a simple sprain and it is his body. It looked like a simple (Though awkward) sprain.

And let's hope he comes back strong next season, and if he has a slow start let's also hope that everyone doesn't turn on him.

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[Edited by - oohah on 11-04-2007 1:22 PM]
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4/11/2007  1:21 PM
Also, maybe lee just has slow healing bones. Or fragile bones. It happens. let me tell you about a dude named Bill Walton or Sam Bowie, or Keith Van Horn for that matter.

I really hope that isn't the case because then he will be reviled.

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4/11/2007  1:28 PM
Posted by islesfan:

How does any of that explain that after he came back early once, he was activated again and was noticeably limping and wincing in pain but was allowed to finish that game and then a part of another game before they finally realized that what they were doing was completely asinine.

Apparently you missed the part where I said that if it was up to me I would make Lee prove that he could play pain free before i'd let him get back on the court. The point of posting what the other doctors said was to prove that he did seek an independent medical opinion. That doctor said that once he came back he should be able to do his conditioning work and there was little chance he'd re-injure himself. It sounds like Lee was the one who wanted to play, still I wouldn't let him play unless he was relatively pain free.
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4/11/2007  1:31 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by islesfan:

How does any of that explain that after he came back early once, he was activated again and was noticeably limping and wincing in pain but was allowed to finish that game and then a part of another game before they finally realized that what they were doing was completely asinine.

Apparently you missed the part where I said that if it was up to me I would make Lee prove that he could play pain free before i'd let him get back on the court. The point of posting what the other doctors said was to prove that he did seek an independent medical opinion. That doctor said that once he came back he should be able to do his conditioning work and there was little chance he'd re-injure himself. It sounds like Lee was the one who wanted to play, still I wouldn't let him play unless he was relatively pain free.

I really don't care what you would do, I want to know why the Knicks doctors and management handled it they way that they did.

A second opinion is just that, a second opinion. That doctor had nothing to do with clearing Lee to play again when he obviously wasn't ready.
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