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BigC
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4/10/2007  7:22 PM
Mardy Collins aka George Jefferson the future at point?

For years a people have been saying that we need a natural point guard. It is clear that Marbury is getting old and is not the answer. If there is a natural point availble should we try to draft a point?
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4/10/2007  7:29 PM
Posted by BigC:

Mardy Collins aka George Jefferson the future at point?

For years a people have been saying that we need a natural point guard. It is clear that Marbury is getting old and is not the answer. If there is a natural point availble should we try to draft a point?

No way. He's a back up. It might not be a bad idea for the Knicks to offer Marb to the Twolves for thier pick. They might bite as to please KG because obviously he wants vets who might be able to help him win now. If the Knicks can get thier pick, I'd take Conley with the pick if he comes out.
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4/10/2007  8:13 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BigC:

Mardy Collins aka George Jefferson the future at point?

For years a people have been saying that we need a natural point guard. It is clear that Marbury is getting old and is not the answer. If there is a natural point availble should we try to draft a point?

No way. He's a back up. It might not be a bad idea for the Knicks to offer Marb to the Twolves for thier pick. They might bite as to please KG because obviously he wants vets who might be able to help him win now. If the Knicks can get thier pick, I'd take Conley with the pick if he comes out.

Good points. I would be surprised if we have a chance to get Conley. I would be even more shocked if Isiah passed him up.

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4/10/2007  8:18 PM
i'd rather we drafted a shotblocking PF/C... or if there's none available, then a SF who can shoot from the perimeter & can play multiple positions... pretty much what Jefferies was supposed to be, but isn't.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-10-2007 8:19 PM]
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4/10/2007  9:53 PM
djsunyc, didn't you say Grunwald said the team is looking for Marbury's successor at PG? I'm sur eif a stud like Conley is available, the Knicks will take him. But who knows, maybe the Knicks grab Acie Law.
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4/10/2007  10:00 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

djsunyc, didn't you say Grunwald said the team is looking for Marbury's successor at PG? I'm sur eif a stud like Conley is available, the Knicks will take him. But who knows, maybe the Knicks grab Acie Law.

I don't get how people think the Knicks are going to get studs like Conley or Acie Law. It takes a lotto pick to get guys like that.. and we all know how that story ends for the Knicks.
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4/11/2007  5:20 AM
Seriously - I'm being dead serious - I would really think about tanking next season to get the highest lottery pick possible to land one of the PGs coming out next season. You know the names: OJ Mayo, Derrick Rose, Darren Collison, etc... As good as Conley and Law are - these guys are better!!!!

If we found a way to:

(1) get a kid like Morris Almond with our pick this draft (here's our high % shooter that can play the 2 or 3)

(2) trade a combo. of Frye, Nate and/or Mardy to get another draft pick to get Sean Williams - the interior defender we so desperately need - (and it might not even take that much considering the trouble the kid got himself into and also considering a guy like Justin Williams, a guy with a similar skill set and knack for blocking shots, just went undrafted)

(3) quietly tank next season to get a high lottery pick to get one of these current HS phenom PGs I mentioned above.... WATCH OUT!!!!

Let's face facts here. Nobody around here wants to sit through another bad season. But does it really matter in the long run if we win another 5 games next season? Think about it. Who cares. We're not winning anything anytime soon unless we can land some major talent. Free agency is out of the question for the forseeable future with all our cap problems. And Isiah always talks about obtaining talent through unconventional ways. Well you know what? Sit tight, Zeke, on trades and free agent signings. Tanking next season - you can't get anymore unconventional than that. It's something that should at least be discussed behind closed doors. Fuck it - the Spurs did it to land Duncan and they are perennially one of the better teams for what seems like forever now. Why the hell can't we go that route???? I want to win so badly man...

I wonder what would go into it if we really decided to do it??? You figure only Isiah and Dolan would need to know, not the players because if any word got out, it's a rap. Then Zeke would have to pull off some slight-of-hand magic to make it look like we're trying but lose games in the process. Maybe he can just make an early commitment to play only youth or something. Develop guys while compiling losses - I don't know. But something. All I know is that, yes, it's nuts but I WANT TO WIN SO BADLY that if we had a poor season next season - on purpose or not - I would be one happy Knick fan. A few more wins should mean nothing to no one next year. Just a thought, however crazy....
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4/11/2007  5:47 AM
Posted by BigC:

Mardy Collins aka George Jefferson the future at point?

For years a people have been saying that we need a natural point guard. It is clear that Marbury is getting old and is not the answer. If there is a natural point availble should we try to draft a point?

I don't know if Collins can be that guy yet, but I think there is a chance. The kid is playing good for a guy who almost never came off the bench for 70 games and now is starting. I mean how good was Jack or Ellis playing last year at this time??? And they played a hell of a lot more then Collins did. Things change and Im hoping they go good with Collind.

I don't think we are drafting a point guard, but we are looking for a Point Forward. I've seen alittle bit of that Nicholas Batums(?) play and man does that kid look good. I would trade Frye and our pick to move up and grab that guy at the end of th Lottery. Conely and Law are going to be at the end of the lottery too, so if we really wanted them we could have NYK4ever.

In I perfect world I would trade Marbury, Frye & Chi's Pick for Odom,Kwame & LA's Pick. Marbury needs to go some where he isn't counted on to do anything but put up stats.
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4/11/2007  9:02 AM
Collins would have to dramatically improve his offense to be a starter quality player. He is a solid defender and as good of a passer as Marbury (if not better), and he plays under control. But unless he develops not only an outside shot but also a pullup jumper, he is only going to be a solid backup.

IMO pg is not the priority for us. We need a starting caliber SG and a defensive minded PF. If we want a pg too, we would have to trade Marbury and Minny is the only team that I think might take him and even that is a longshot.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-11-2007 09:47 AM]
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4/11/2007  9:11 AM
I know Marbs value is pretty high now, but with his contract not too many people are willing to take him. I pose this question, would we be willing to keep Marbury if he and the team was able to come back next year and have a good season (45-50 wins, playoffs, 2nd round, etc)
Here is my thought, what if Marbury finally gets it and the knicks improve together as a team. These past few months Marbs has been incredible, he has shown that at times when needed he can take over a basketball game. Which is something we need. What if he played out his contract while still playing the best ball of his career, the knicks are winning and contending, and then he wants to stay in NY. What if he re-upped for far lesser amount of money in order to help the team.

I know it is a ton of what ifs, but I don't think he is the problem here. Am i blind ?
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4/11/2007  9:32 AM
Couldn't agree more, Marbles really wants to be a knick and remain a knick. Can see him resigning for a fraction of his current salary.
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4/11/2007  10:16 AM
Posted by Michael6835:

I know Marbs value is pretty high now, but with his contract not too many people are willing to take him. I pose this question, would we be willing to keep Marbury if he and the team was able to come back next year and have a good season (45-50 wins, playoffs, 2nd round, etc)
Here is my thought, what if Marbury finally gets it and the knicks improve together as a team. These past few months Marbs has been incredible, he has shown that at times when needed he can take over a basketball game. Which is something we need. What if he played out his contract while still playing the best ball of his career, the knicks are winning and contending, and then he wants to stay in NY. What if he re-upped for far lesser amount of money in order to help the team.

I know it is a ton of what ifs, but I don't think he is the problem here. Am i blind ?

the problem is when Marbury's playing great basketball, this team still doesn't win games... we are obviously missing a few key pieces right now... i'd much rather trade him while he still has some value & take my chances next season w/the guys we have left over than continue on w/the same routine of watching Stephon put up 30 pts & lose games anyway... at least put our young players into leadership roles & see if they can turn this ship around, because it's obvious to me that even with Marbury playing his best ball, this ship is still sinking.
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4/11/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

djsunyc, didn't you say Grunwald said the team is looking for Marbury's successor at PG? I'm sur eif a stud like Conley is available, the Knicks will take him. But who knows, maybe the Knicks grab Acie Law.

i really don't know if grunwald was talking about what he would like to do or what they're actually thinking. but like others said, if conley comes out, there's no way we get him unless we trade for a mid to late lotto pick (which may be what frye's value is right now). acie law is not a classic point guard - he's a scoring guard. like phil ford said last night, we need a point guard that can score, not a scoring point guard.
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4/11/2007  11:02 AM
I would target the best SF available. That is our most glaring weakness.
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4/11/2007  12:08 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Collins would have to dramatically improve his offense to be a starter quality player. He is a solid defender and as good of a passer as Marbury (if not better), and he plays under control. But unless he develops not only an outside shot but also a pullup jumper, he is only going to be a solid backup.

IMO pg is not the priority for us. We need a starting caliber SG and a defensive minded PF. If we want a pg too, we would have to trade Marbury and Minny is the only team that I think might take him and even that is a longshot.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-11-2007 09:47 AM]

I am kinda in agreement here.

I don't know how anyone can say that Collins is a starter/Collins will never be more than a backup after, what?, 10 games of play? This summer will be telling, and if he can improve, he will have shown us something. Even Deron Williams was not starting games for Utah last year and look at how he has improved; the PG spot is TOUGH going from college to the pros.

Can he defend? Looks like it. Can he get guys the ball where they expect it? Not too shabby. Can he run an offense? Don't know yet. Can he shoot? How many years did it take for Gary Payton to get a jumpshot? (No, the two are not the same, yada yada.)

If the Knicks get a shooting guard who can defend the perimeter (even though they have a super glut at 1/2), it will spread the floor and help Curry out, which will in turn help everyone else out.

I am hoping that the Knicks can pull a Crawford/Nate deal to Seattle to clean house.
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4/11/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

Collins would have to dramatically improve his offense to be a starter quality player. He is a solid defender and as good of a passer as Marbury (if not better), and he plays under control. But unless he develops not only an outside shot but also a pullup jumper, he is only going to be a solid backup.

IMO pg is not the priority for us. We need a starting caliber SG and a defensive minded PF. If we want a pg too, we would have to trade Marbury and Minny is the only team that I think might take him and even that is a longshot.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-11-2007 09:47 AM]

I am kinda in agreement here.

I don't know how anyone can say that Collins is a starter/Collins will never be more than a backup after, what?, 10 games of play? This summer will be telling, and if he can improve, he will have shown us something. Even Deron Williams was not starting games for Utah last year and look at how he has improved; the PG spot is TOUGH going from college to the pros.

Can he defend? Looks like it. Can he get guys the ball where they expect it? Not too shabby. Can he run an offense? Don't know yet. Can he shoot? How many years did it take for Gary Payton to get a jumpshot? (No, the two are not the same, yada yada.)

If the Knicks get a shooting guard who can defend the perimeter (even though they have a super glut at 1/2), it will spread the floor and help Curry out, which will in turn help everyone else out.

I am hoping that the Knicks can pull a Crawford/Nate deal to Seattle to clean house.

I say for Ray Allen and draft a young SG to develop, Mardy has shown alot for a rookie thrown in the ultimate frying pan with only one "on again, off again" offensive option. If he develops a jumpshot coupled with he ability to drive to the basket he going to be a good player.
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4/11/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by Anji:

I don't think we are drafting a point guard, but we are looking for a Point Forward. I've seen alittle bit of that Nicholas Batums(?) play and man does that kid look good. I would trade Frye and our pick to move up and grab that guy at the end of th Lottery. Conely and Law are going to be at the end of the lottery too, so if we really wanted them we could have NYK4ever.

I don't know how you figure we are getting them at the end of the lotto when we don't have a lotto pick Anji
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4/11/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

Collins would have to dramatically improve his offense to be a starter quality player. He is a solid defender and as good of a passer as Marbury (if not better), and he plays under control. But unless he develops not only an outside shot but also a pullup jumper, he is only going to be a solid backup.

IMO pg is not the priority for us. We need a starting caliber SG and a defensive minded PF. If we want a pg too, we would have to trade Marbury and Minny is the only team that I think might take him and even that is a longshot.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-11-2007 09:47 AM]

I am kinda in agreement here.

I don't know how anyone can say that Collins is a starter/Collins will never be more than a backup after, what?, 10 games of play? This summer will be telling, and if he can improve, he will have shown us something. Even Deron Williams was not starting games for Utah last year and look at how he has improved; the PG spot is TOUGH going from college to the pros.

Can he defend? Looks like it. Can he get guys the ball where they expect it? Not too shabby. Can he run an offense? Don't know yet. Can he shoot? How many years did it take for Gary Payton to get a jumpshot? (No, the two are not the same, yada yada.)

If the Knicks get a shooting guard who can defend the perimeter (even though they have a super glut at 1/2), it will spread the floor and help Curry out, which will in turn help everyone else out.

I am hoping that the Knicks can pull a Crawford/Nate deal to Seattle to clean house.

I say for Ray Allen and draft a young SG to develop, Mardy has shown alot for a rookie thrown in the ultimate frying pan with only one "on again, off again" offensive option. If he develops a jumpshot coupled with he ability to drive to the basket he going to be a good player.

I'll just take the pick, dont really need Allen if wre trying to rebuild and clear the decks.
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