I'm going to start a thread that gives credit to good posting from the Realgm board. I still post over there as do many others but of course this is the place to be. Anyway here is a wonderful post from.....

kosmovitelli wrote:

Some fans believe :
1/ Eddy Curry is having the best season of his pro career
2/ Eddy Curry is a dominant post player and a franchise player
3/ The Knicks are a talented team

You add 1 + 2 + 3 and you get 32 wins in 77 games (0.416).
Something does not compute.

Of course the same fans also believe
4/ Key players (Crawford and Lee) injuries explain the record.
5/ The Knicks didn't trade two lottery picks for Curry, only a pick and a swap, the Knicks still have a 1st round pick this season
6/ You have to make a thread every day to convince yourself Curry is a franchise player and doubters are haters.

The same fans believe :
7/ Layden was the worst GM ever
8/ The Knicks were the worse team in the NBA under Layden and had no hopes, not shot at the playoffs


You add 7 + 8 and you get 30 wins (0.365) for the season 2001-2002 while the Knicks had two career ending injuries during that season (starting power forward Larry Johnson and reserve center Luc Longley) plus a season ending injury (Marcus Camby after only 29 games).

After trading their starting PG (Mark Jackson), their starting Center (Camby) and swapping the #7 pick for the #25 pick (Frank Williams) for Antonio McDyess, the Knicks ended the season with 37 wins during the season 2002-2003 despite losing Antonio McDyess to a season ending injury during pre-season.

Of course the same fans believe :
8/ Injuries didn't matter, two career ending injuries, two season ending injuries don't matter
9/ Layden traded a healthy Camby and a lottery pick for McDyess, of course it wasn't a swap. But don't dare to say Isiah traded two lottery picks for Curry, the second is a swap ! I hope it's clear for you folks now.


Funny isn't it ?
The worse GM ever never won less than 30 games. Even during his worse season. His worse performance was 30 wins during the season 2001-2002 and during that season he lost two key players to injury (his starting PF LJ and his starting C Camby). His second worse was 37 wins during the season 2002-2003 (after losing his starting PF McDyess to a season ending injury).

Isiah Thomas lost Jamal Crawford to a season ending injury after 58 games. Same for David Lee. These two players played 70% of the games this season. These two players were not even starters at the beginning of the season. Lee started 12, Crawford 36. But somehow it's all hell breaks loose, it's worse than losing a player to a season ending injury ! These injuries destroyed our season and our chances at the playoffs !!! LOL


Right now, Eddy Curry is a dominant force and a franchise player, we're 0.416 and we'll have less than 35 wins at the end of the season.
I'm glad I was informed Curry is a franchise player. If he wasn't we would have won 10 games this season ! LOL

I'm also glad to be informed that Larry Brown tanking the season can still get 23 wins from his team while Isiah Thomas trying his best in a do or die season can only get 32 wins from the same team. It speaks volume about his performance. Afterall maybe Isiah would look better if his fans believed LB tried his best and didn't tank the season ! LOL

This was Textbook posting here.

only thing he left out was van gundy also quitting during the 30 win season after 9/11.

Posted by martin:

I am still laughing over here. Good post.

That was some classic dumb it down to the basics. Fans today are only making excuses because the names on the back of the jerseys are sexier but the results are similar or worse.

seren wrote:

"Did Last Yr's Team Overachieve?"

Curry was out of shape. Lee, Frye, and Nate were rookies. They were all inexperienced. The whole team was new. There were misfits like MoT and later on JRose in the squad. We didn't have a defensive stopper as Jeffries.

Still the team managed to win 23 games, only 9 game less than this year.

Seems like Larry did it again. He overachieved with bunch of rookies and misfits.

Good Stuff!

Another one from Kosmovitelli. Keep in mind yesterday in Dolan's Horrow Show interview yesterday he said many teams wanted EY Curry well here's how that summer broke down. Also for those that say the Bulls desperately wanted to keep Curry that's highly doubtful. Sounded like they wanted someone to the plate to be a sucker and sure nough we have the sucker of all suckers.


Kosmovitelli writes

Here's how the situation unfolded with Curry within a month. Paxson went from the perspective of no trade offer and seeing Curry accepting the QO and becoming a free agent to an incredible offer of Sweetney, two potential lottery picks and two second round picks for Curry.
I guess after seeing Isiah cave in after a month of negociations for Jamal Crawford the previous summer , Paxson knew he could take Isiah to the cleaners and abuse him once again.

Bulls big man is paying for his bad reputation, health concerns

By Sean Deveney
Updated: 8:54 p.m. ET Sept. 13, 2005

Every year, the same rumor pervades the whispers of Chicago's sports media-entsia.

Did you hear Eddy Curry is so big, he's wearing parachute pants? Literally, he's wearing parachutes for pants.

I heard he takes showers by paying neighbors to hose him down.

Yeah, well, I heard someone saw him at Gibson's — he read the whole menu, looked at the waiter and said, "Yes."

Such gossip. Those who have seen Curry around town or at the West Loop Athletic Club report that he is not that chubby. You won't see him on the cover of Ripped Abs Monthly, but we safely can say Curry is able to get himself off his own sofa.

Still, he is a 22-year-old free agent, a center coming off his most productive season (16.1 points per game). The fact training camp is weeks away and the most gripping news about Curry is whether he has done a pushup in the past 12 weeks speaks volumes about the state of the young man's career. He brought this on himself.

Curry has been chronically unwilling to work, and now he is paying for it.

His quest for a new contract has been hindered by the revelation in late March that he has an enlarged heart and an irregular heartbeat. Multiple insurance companies have passed on covering his contract. It doesn't help that the Bulls have been excessively cautious in the process, scaring off suitors. When the Hawks looked into signing Curry in July, they were given dire warnings by the Bulls. But the doctor the Hawks asked to look at Curry's records gave him a clean bill of health.

To blame the Bulls or the heart arrhythmia for Curry's lack of a contract is to give Curry too much absolution. This is his mess. The Hawks were serious about signing Curry -- they had jerseys and specially edited videos made for a two-day visit to Atlanta. But Curry left Atlanta after one day, and his agent, Leon Rose, blamed the early departure on a mix-up.


A mix-up? Children have mix-ups about what time they will be picked up from school. Adults do not have mix-ups when eight-figure salaries are at stake. The Hawks had massive salary cap room, didn't care about the heart problem and were willing to gamble on young talent (remember Joe Johnson?). Curry should have done everything possible to impress them.

The early departure did not hurt Curry's chances with Atlanta, though. The fact that he showed up overweight and looking for a better contract than 76ers center Samuel Dalembert (six years, around $60 million) did.


Curry's Michelin Man physique is a symptom of a man with an allergy to work. Curry has an embarrassing career rebounding average (4.9). His defense is awful, and foul trouble is his constant companion. His hook shot is nice, but he needs a better countermove.

"I don't think things would be different if there were no heart issue," says an Eastern Conference general manager. "Everyone wonders, 'If this guy didn't work all that hard when he was playing for a contract, how hard would he work after you give him a big guaranteed deal?'"

Last week, Rose reportedly asked the Bulls to explore sign-and-trade options. G.M. John Paxson told reporters, "I've not been contacted by any team."

Translation: "Trade? Uh, who wants this guy?"


Answer : Isiah Thomas obviously ! LOL

Chicago Sun-Times
Sep 17 2005

With less than three weeks before training camp begins on Oct. 3, the Bulls' contract negotiations with restricted free-agent center Eddy Curry are at an impasse.

A source familiar with the talks between the Bulls and agent Leon Rose said Thursday that "it looks more and more'' like Curry will play this season for the team's one-year qualifying offer of $5.14 million guaranteed.

Rose, who has not returned multiple messages seeking comment, reportedly had been seeking a team with which the Bulls could work out a sign-and-trade deal for Curry, who was sidelined late last season by heart arrhythmia. Those heart troubles also led the NBA's insurance carrier to refuse to guarantee any contract for Curry.

Curry, who has yet to find alternative coverage, also sought an offer sheet from other teams, but none was offered.

Bulls general manager John Paxson all but dismissed a sign-and-trade scenario during a Sept. 6 interview on WSCR-AM (670).

"If we were to do it, we'd have to get something we really like in return, and I don't think that's very realistic,'' said Paxson, who also acknowledged that he had offered Curry a multiyear deal.

That longer-term deal involved a shared risk between the team and Curry, who originally was said to be seeking a guaranteed contract worth at least $60 million for six years.

Three weeks later :

October 4, 2005 – NBA.COM

Bulls Re-Sign Curry, Complete Sign-and-Trade with Knicks

The Chicago Bulls convey to the New York Knicks the contract of Antonio Davis and the signed-and-traded contract of Eddy Curry. In exchange, New York conveys to Chicago the contracts of Tim Thomas and Michael Sweetney, the signed-and-traded contract of Jermaine Jackson, and New York’s regular second round draft choice in 2007 and 2009.

In addition, New York conveys to Chicago, New York’s 2006 regular first round draft choice on condition that the pick does not actually go to Utah (due to not being number 26-30) and also on condition that New York receives San Antonio’s 2006 regular first round selection (due to being number 11-30).

If New York’s 2006 first round does go to Utah (due to being number 26-30), and New York does receive San Antonio’s 2006 first round pick (due to being number 11-30), New York conveys to Chicago that San Antonio first round selection.

In addition, New York also conveys to Chicago the right to switch first round draft picks with New York in 2007 provided that New York’s first round selection does not go to Utah (is not number 25-30). Per team policy, terms of the contract were not disclosed. This trade is conditional upon the players passing their physicals.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-18-2007 09:01 AM]

Posted by tkf:

kos is a good poster, but there was also a response to his post from another poster that was just as good, if not better. Why don't you be a fair poster and post that one?

if you saw it, why didn't you add?

ahh bla bla bla.


all good fans know the truth.


THEY BOTH SUCK ASS.


See, and I didn't even need fancy imagery or logic.



blady bla bla, they suck major squirrel nuts.