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BRIGGS
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4/8/2007  8:24 PM
I've watched the Lakers a lot this yera and I'm very very impressed with Ronnie Turriaf. He gives you everything that Frye doesnt--he's a perfect high-energy compliment to curry who can rebound-block shots can hit that 12 footer but also has a good game inside as well. he's kind of in the mold of a Balkman in terms of energy right up there--and those kind of guys make teams do better.

Instead of using the MLE on guys like Kapono Carrol etc.. Turriaf is a MUCH higher range type player--menaing his potnetial compared to those guys is better money spent.

If we signed Ronnie to a 4 year MLE for 22mm[last year team option] only guaranteing him 15-16 mm--with a frontload-that outs to much financial pressure on LA to match it.

We can use Frye or Morris and + our pick to use as assets to get what we want in terms of shooting the ball in the draft i.e Almond




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C-Curry
F-Turriaf
F-Balkman
G-Crawford
G Starbury
C Lee
F Q Rich
G Almond
G Collins
G Nate

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4/8/2007  8:32 PM
Briggs, this is classic grass-is-greener type stuff. Turiaf had a nice game tonight but he hasn't done much in his short career. We already have 2 players who are similar in their abilities(And limitations) at the 4. Add to that he has a heart condition and we already have one of those on the team. I also don't agree his potential is greater than Carroll or Kapono. They've each had many big games this year while Turiaf has had 1 that I know of.

Good luck to Turiaf, but on another team.

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4/8/2007  8:42 PM
Posted by oohah:

Briggs, this is classic grass-is-greener type stuff. Turiaf had a nice game tonight but he hasn't done much in his short career. We already have 2 players who are similar in their abilities(And limitations) at the 4. Add to that he has a heart condition and we already have one of those on the team. I also don't agree his potential is greater than Carroll or Kapono. They've each had many big games this year while Turiaf has had 1 that I know of.

Good luck to Turiaf, but on another team.

oohah

Good post, Turiaf had open heart surgery and Curry had a irregular heartbeat and people went nuts about his trade. I find it concerning that now it is ok to go after the guy who already proven that his heart was really bad.
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4/8/2007  8:54 PM
Posted by oohah:

Briggs, this is classic grass-is-greener type stuff. Turiaf had a nice game tonight but he hasn't done much in his short career. We already have 2 players who are similar in their abilities(And limitations) at the 4. Add to that he has a heart condition and we already have one of those on the team. I also don't agree his potential is greater than Carroll or Kapono. They've each had many big games this year while Turiaf has had 1 that I know of.

Good luck to Turiaf, but on another team.

oohah

Take it from me--I have watched a LOT of Laker basketball--Turiaf is the REAL deal--now I would have to assume that since he is playing and has corrected the abnormailty--that he is fine physically. Turiaf plays with very high energy--he's a very good rebounder shot blocker+ he can also score well in the post and out to 12 feet. He plays VERY good defense in the post--our BIGGEST weakness. He is 6-10 245 pounds a BIG 4 who can move. I don't care if a guy has had one big game --anyone who has seriosuly wathced him this year *knows* that he has BIG time potnetial + he can play well NOW. Your progonstication is probably from limited viewing of the player and your pointing at his health--of which was repaired. He's a better version of Haslem and that is the type of player we need--he's also much longer and can block shots.
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4/8/2007  9:06 PM
Take it from me--I have watched a LOT of Laker basketball--Turiaf is the REAL deal--now I would have to assume that since he is playing and has corrected the abnormailty--that he is fine physically. Turiaf plays with very high energy--he's a very good rebounder shot blocker+ he can also score well in the post and out to 12 feet. He plays VERY good defense in the post--our BIGGEST weakness. He is 6-10 245 pounds a BIG 4 who can move. I don't care if a guy has had one big game --anyone who has seriosuly wathced him this year *knows* that he has BIG time potnetial + he can play well NOW. Your progonstication is probably from limited viewing of the player and your pointing at his health--of which was repaired. He's a better version of Haslem and that is the type of player we need--he's also much longer and can block shots.

You assume I don't know about Turiaf or watch him--a wrong assumption, I've been watching this kid since France. He is a good kid, he will be a decent player, but how does he fit in with Lee and Balkman? Personally, I think they both have more potential overall, but if we pick up Turiaf, at least one of those guys gotta go.

Do you think Phil Jackson has such a limited view of Turiaf's abilities? He's got him on the 3rd string.

Also, saying his health is repaired is a big assumption and prognosticating with rose-colored glasses. Major heart surgery is no joke. Nobody knows that he is as good as new. I hope he has a long career, but his heart is still a big risk. I'm not even getting into his possibly dying on the court, he may have to retire early.

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4/8/2007  9:06 PM
EVerytime Ive watched Turiaf I get the impression he is a big talent. He does clause havic in the paint. He reminds me of Gooden, with more shot blocking. I wouldn't mind getting him.

Don't understand why we would need to use Fyre and Morris to draft Almonds though. He will likely be there for the bulls pick. If we are Using Frye, I want a player with bigtime up side at the three.
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4/8/2007  9:41 PM
Posted by oohah:
Take it from me--I have watched a LOT of Laker basketball--Turiaf is the REAL deal--now I would have to assume that since he is playing and has corrected the abnormailty--that he is fine physically. Turiaf plays with very high energy--he's a very good rebounder shot blocker+ he can also score well in the post and out to 12 feet. He plays VERY good defense in the post--our BIGGEST weakness. He is 6-10 245 pounds a BIG 4 who can move. I don't care if a guy has had one big game --anyone who has seriosuly wathced him this year *knows* that he has BIG time potnetial + he can play well NOW. Your progonstication is probably from limited viewing of the player and your pointing at his health--of which was repaired. He's a better version of Haslem and that is the type of player we need--he's also much longer and can block shots.

You assume I don't know about Turiaf or watch him--a wrong assumption, I've been watching this kid since France. He is a good kid, he will be a decent player, but how does he fit in with Lee and Balkman? Personally, I think they both have more potential overall, but if we pick up Turiaf, at least one of those guys gotta go.

Do you think Phil Jackson has such a limited view of Turiaf's abilities? He's got him on the 3rd string.

Also, saying his health is repaired is a big assumption and prognosticating with rose-colored glasses. Major heart surgery is no joke. Nobody knows that he is as good as new. I hope he has a long career, but his heart is still a big risk. I'm not even getting into his possibly dying on the court, he may have to retire early.

oohah

I'm going to ignore the *dying on the court* issue---my guess is when the best doctors in the world perform a valve replacement and let the player back on the court--he is fine. You can't live life thinking that way.

To the aspect of basketball.

I think Lee is best-suited as a 6th man C/PF combo who still plays 30-35 minutes. With Turiaf--he brings what Lee does not--he brings defense and shot blocking--Turiaf moves much better laterally than Lee.
Balkman is a 3 who can probably play 1-2-3-4--I see good synergy between players like that. French Frye is not the answer on this team--he cant bring it defensively in the post and he is erratic and soft on the O.


To the other answer I wouldnt use BOTH Frye and Morris to move up--unless it was in combination with acquiring something else beyond moving up.
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4/8/2007  9:45 PM
Hey Briggs, I'm with you on this one. The heart problem concerns me. It might bring his price down though.

I totally agree with your breakdown of his game. I freakin love this guy. He would be the perfect guy to sit next to curry for years to come.
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4/8/2007  9:55 PM
not starter material.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/8/2007  10:31 PM
all for getting Ronny.

moves without the ball, rebounds, blocks shots, hustles and can finish in the lane and can knoock down the 15 footer.

does he understnad the triangle enough to warrant minutes in LA? dunno.

do know his, he was in position plenty to score prior to Kobe deciding to pass the roc with the game outta reach. My money is on him finishing in quarters 1-3 as well as in the fourth if the pass had come.
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4/8/2007  10:56 PM
Turiaf & Walton are great 'intangible' players- but he reminds me of a Kurt Thomas player- maybe a bit more athletic.

And there is only so much room for intangible players- Jeffries only started to produce when Lee got hurt- and between Jeffries, Lee & Balkman- I think we're ok with intangible players.

And regardless of upside and potential- this team's greater need is outside shooting- and a Carroll helps a lot better than Turiaf.
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4/8/2007  11:35 PM
Posted by franco12:

Turiaf & Walton are great 'intangible' players- but he reminds me of a Kurt Thomas player- maybe a bit more athletic.

And there is only so much room for intangible players- Jeffries only started to produce when Lee got hurt- and between Jeffries, Lee & Balkman- I think we're ok with intangible players.

And regardless of upside and potential- this team's greater need is outside shooting- and a Carroll helps a lot better than Turiaf.

I think if we can draft Almond he is going to be perfect to come off the bench for outside shooting purposes--we already have shooters--they are all hurt:( no need to spend so much additional $$$$

What we do NEED is INTERIOR defense and additional toughness--that has lacked ALL year. He is very athletic for 6-10 and just showing what he can do. I think he is a *perfect fit* high energy always up cheering when he is not in the game and very active and productive when in it. Beyond is physical well-being---investing 15-18mm$ in a player like this is SMART and we need what he brings!
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4/8/2007  11:38 PM
I was originally going to start this with the names MCDYESS and Turiaf. I thought Mcdyess--who is in a walk year if he chooses would ALSO be a perfect compliment to Curry but I opted for the younger player who is 10 years younger--but Mcdyess wouldnt be bad either.
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4/8/2007  11:56 PM
Rony is a good player, I watched him a lot with the lakers, not as impressed with him as briggs is, but he would be nice next to curry and unlike frye this kid can defend the post, hold his position and move guys around, plays with a lot of energy. He is a go getter... I like him..
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4/9/2007  12:05 AM
I think he would be a backup/first man of the bench. As things are I know two things will happen, the first being that Francis will not be apart of the knicks next season. The second, David Lee will start and this will be an order from King Dolan!!!!
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4/9/2007  1:23 AM
I get the idea, put a BEAST on the court with Curry. Someone who will do the dirty work. Turiaf is that kind of player. I don't know if Isiah will look at him as a better solution than the guys we have right now. What we have now is cheaper and he can focus his attention elsewhere.

We already are a league leader in rebounding. We need to get this team balanced so that people will pay for trying to double Curry or any of our post players. That means SHOOTERS and lots of them. Higher % shooters with some size. A Matt Carroll or Kapono are the type of guys that you want to put on the team, so that at no time in the game do we NOT have perimeter threats. This is in addition to drafting a guy like Almond. IMO, when you have a guard who does well when there are lots of shooters on the floor, then you get more shooters. Our Center needs room and shooting will give him that. Ronny is a good player, but we already have PF's. I'm sure that he'd do fine if we had him, but just how much better he'd be than the guys we have is hard to tell.
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4/9/2007  3:10 AM
Matt Carroll or Kapono are not going to be knicks. I don't care what anybody thinks about those backups, we already have 3 smallforwards 2 shooting guards and 2 pointguards. There ain't no room to be adding backups. Marbury needs a lot of things, what he needs most is a guy who can play the point, which is why we will probably be looking for a Point Forward some where and dump Qgarabge and make Jared a defensive backup at the 2-4.

But since everybody thinks Frye is going to be gone, Cato is going to be gone, JJ is a bum and Morris is a rookie, a guy like Turiaf will probably be very need.
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4/9/2007  4:44 AM
Posted by Anji:

Matt Carroll or Kapono are not going to be knicks. I don't care what anybody thinks about those backups, we already have 3 smallforwards 2 shooting guards and 2 pointguards. There ain't no room to be adding backups. Marbury needs a lot of things, what he needs most is a guy who can play the point, which is why we will probably be looking for a Point Forward some where and dump Qgarabge and make Jared a defensive backup at the 2-4.

But since everybody thinks Frye is going to be gone, Cato is going to be gone, JJ is a bum and Morris is a rookie, a guy like Turiaf will probably be very need.

I agree with everything you said.

Marbs, craw, Nate and Collins are a solid backcourt.

Curry is gonna be the center.

The glaring need is the 4 and 3. Frye is a puss. Knicks need more guys like lee and balkman. Adding turiaf would be adding the type of player that fits in the trenches with what works for this team.

Even if it isn't turiaf, a guy like etan Thomas would be a good pick up if that's possible.

You know, that's why isiah tried starting big game. The knicks need a guy like big game minus the lazy, fatty ways. The knicks need a guy to be the muscle. That is a glaring need. Having that type of guy in the mix with lee, balkman and Jared would be ideal.

The small fwd spot is the next major piece needed. Knicks essentially need another Q. A guy that can rebound, start the break, drive, shoot, score inside, play defense.

A guy that the knicks had that actually was playing out of his mind before that golden state/indiana trade was Matt Barnes. If you don't remember him doing much this year check his stats early on this year. He had a few 30pt games, some big 3pt games, big defensive game, etc. He was looking like a stud.

But turiaf and Barnes don't sound like sexy enough names to satisfy some.
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4/9/2007  8:56 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:

Turiaf & Walton are great 'intangible' players- but he reminds me of a Kurt Thomas player- maybe a bit more athletic.

And there is only so much room for intangible players- Jeffries only started to produce when Lee got hurt- and between Jeffries, Lee & Balkman- I think we're ok with intangible players.

And regardless of upside and potential- this team's greater need is outside shooting- and a Carroll helps a lot better than Turiaf.

I think if we can draft Almond he is going to be perfect to come off the bench for outside shooting purposes--we already have shooters--they are all hurt:( no need to spend so much additional $$$$

What we do NEED is INTERIOR defense and additional toughness--that has lacked ALL year. He is very athletic for 6-10 and just showing what he can do. I think he is a *perfect fit* high energy always up cheering when he is not in the game and very active and productive when in it. Beyond is physical well-being---investing 15-18mm$ in a player like this is SMART and we need what he brings!

I am not has high on Turiaf as BRIGGS, but i agree that he is a solid player who would fit well with Curry. We could use a young PF that plays defense and Turiaf is definitely capable of filling that role. Whether you go for him or a Carroll or Kapono depends. Nate is a solid 3pt shooter and if Q's back surgery is really going to resolve his problems, we might have enough 3 pt shooting (also considering Marbury's improvement from 3 pt range). Assuming we draft a SG, getting Turiaf might make some sense.
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Posted by EnySpree:



I agree with everything you said.

Marbs, craw, Nate and Collins are a solid backcourt.

I'm not sure how you can think that these four half parts comprise a solid back court.

I love Nate- but he should be a spark plug off the bench.

Crawford is clutch, but until he can shoot over 39%, he's best kept on the bench.

That leaves Marbury and Mardy as your starters?

Marbury has broken down the last two seasons. He's getting old. Although he has picked up his outside shooting of late, he is not a very strong outside shooter. And he can't make an entry pass to Curry.

Relying on Marbury at this stage, I would debate the use of the term 'solid'.

Mardy might be our best guard, if he can develop an outside shot. That's a big if.

We have a solid collection of half pieces in the back court. Its crowded, yes, but severely flawed.
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