Posted by Bippity10:

The GM job is a different story. I think Isiah has been one of the most inefficient GM's in the league. I think coaching and GMing is a huge responsibility and not one that I want a coach in NEW YORK having to undergo. Let's bring in someone that can work with Isiah(if available) and finally get down to the business of building a team instead of constantly finding how to tear it down.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

The GM job is a different story. I think Isiah has been one of the most inefficient GM's in the league. I think coaching and GMing is a huge responsibility and not one that I want a coach in NEW YORK having to undergo. Let's bring in someone that can work with Isiah(if available) and finally get down to the business of building a team instead of constantly finding how to tear it down.

I'm not sure how you mean this. This roster has been stocked with young players like we've never had, so how has he torn the team down? You may not love the roster, but it's younger and still developing.

Jamal - 27
QRich - 27
Jared - 25
Curry - 24
Frye - 23
Lee - 23
Balkman - 22
Collins - 22
Nate - 22
Morris - 21

Nixluva again we go round and round with this topic. Isiah has brought in good young players. But he has wasted so many moves that I do not trust him to build this team in an efficient manner going forward. We are still in the 35 win category, still without a true star, still hoping for lazy playres to develop into beasts etc. I'm going based on what I've seen to date. 3 head coaces. 3 core changes(no that did not have to happen). Targeting vets taht had no fit on this team and wasting roster spots that could have been used on other developing players. No GM is perfect but the amount of wasted moves is overwhelming. I personally cannot blame Scott Laydne for everything. It's too convenient. This is NY. This is a pressure cooker. GM and a coach/seperate people both on the same page is the most efficient way to build a title. 34 years without a title tells me such.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

The GM job is a different story. I think Isiah has been one of the most inefficient GM's in the league. I think coaching and GMing is a huge responsibility and not one that I want a coach in NEW YORK having to undergo. Let's bring in someone that can work with Isiah(if available) and finally get down to the business of building a team instead of constantly finding how to tear it down.

I'm not sure how you mean this. This roster has been stocked with young players like we've never had, so how has he torn the team down? You may not love the roster, but it's younger and still developing.

Jamal - 27
QRich - 27
Jared - 25
Curry - 24
Frye - 23
Lee - 23
Balkman - 22
Collins - 22
Nate - 22
Morris - 21

Nixluva again we go round and round with this topic. Isiah has brought in good young players. But he has wasted so many moves that I do not trust him to build this team in an efficient manner going forward. We are still in the 35 win category, still without a true star, still hoping for lazy playres to develop into beasts etc. I'm going based on what I've seen to date. 3 head coaces. 3 core changes(no that did not have to happen). Targeting vets taht had no fit on this team and wasting roster spots that could have been used on other developing players. No GM is perfect but the amount of wasted moves is overwhelming. I personally cannot blame Scott Laydne for everything. It's too convenient. This is NY. This is a pressure cooker. GM and a coach/seperate people both on the same page is the most efficient way to build a title. 34 years without a title tells me such.

Why are you even concerned about how many times he changed the players or coach on this team as long as he got rid of guys that couldn't do the job? Right now he's effectively set a new course and it's not bad. The young core of the team is full of guys that ARE NOT LAZY!!! You're misrepresenting them by saying that. This team is a league leader on the boards and is in just about every game they play. They make mistakes, but they do try hard.

As for Isiah being coach and GM, i'll say that he's not done as bad as so many want to suggest. It's not like this team can't compete. We need to refine the roster and improve many of the young players on this team, but it's a talented group. Right now it's much clearer where the team needs improvement and it's not a lot of missing things. We've all discussed the kinds of moves that need to be made now and they seem very doable. If he actually get's those things done, then what will be wrong with the job he's doing?

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

Probably because you think we are at an ending point and I see that we still have a lot of moves to make and I don't feel like sitting through another 3 years of Isiah changing his mind on who the core is going to be and who it isn't. He still has to make plenty of moves and I don't trust him not brign in another Jerome James, Jalen Rose, Stevie Francis that has nothing to do with the core that he is trying to build.

When I look at the roster I see a starting center. I see a PF who is good but doesn't fit with the center unless we get a SF that is an intimidator. I still don't see consistent shooters to spread the floor and a completed backcourt. I still don't see Curry's running mate. I look at your list and know that this team will not compete without more changes. I want a GM that can focus on this and builds according to plan. NOt one that wastes moves on guys that so obviously do not fit into any plan that it is beyond understanding why they were even acquired in the first place.

My list wasn't intended to be a finished product, but the current state of the team. I would expect that some will stay and others will go in order to IMPROVE the team as it relates to Curry as it's focal point.

Aside from Steph, Q and Jared who I think we would be unable to trade, there are some players that I feel we don't have to even think about moving. Curry, Lee, Balkman, Collins and Morris should be kept. With exception of Morris who we have yet to really see, I believe the way they play is an example of the kind of players we want. Anyone else could be moved and I believe we could replace them with someone better suited to how this team is looking to play.

If Isiah dosen't do a thing but draft a SG/SF the team still makes some sense:

Curry - Frye - Morris
Lee - Jared - Morris
Q - Balkman
Jamal - Morris Almond - Nate
Steph - Collins

However I think he'll look to make a move in order to strengthen the team and tailor it more to fit Curry. You can't go into it assuming he's going to make a bad move.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm going on past experience and what I've seen and making a logical guess on how things may go. No guarantee that Isiah dosen't make every right move from here on out. No guarantee that he doesn't make every wrong move from here on out. But going on past moves I have built a distrust for Isiah to finish the job. You have built a trust for him. Neither of us is wrong. I personally want the guy to focus on coaching and have someone else focus on GMing. I can't take watchign him acquire more guys that don't fit or can't be traded.