Curry dislocated two fingers in the first half, can we say warrior?...Curry is still better than any combo you could put together from that trade...But I still think it's early to get a true evaluation...We still have to see how Tyrus Thomas and the next pick turns out...

You mean we have to see how Brandon Roy and this year's lottery pick turn out. (There's really nothing to wait for anyway. The answer's already obvious to me. Roy alone is better than our feces center.)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-01-2007 09:12 AM]

I think Curry has shown enough this year to warrant such a trade...It's not a great trade or one sided trade...I would just like to see Curry show up in even better shape this year to play both ends of the court...I am particularly impressed the way he plays other centers...The only person he has had trouble with one on one was Yao Ming...He is the real deal...I'm impress with how he plays against the better defensive centers in the league...

Curry effectiveness will only be seen when he has the right compliment of players around him...The Knicks need a few consistent outside shooters to open up the floor for Curry...It's been a tough year for the Knicks, but the are in a major rebuilding mode right now...They need a young point guard, young shooting guard and young small forward...

Posted by holfresh:


Curry dislocated two fingers in the first half, can we say warrior?...Curry is still better than any combo you could put together from that trade...But I still think it's early to get a true evaluation...We still have to see how Tyrus Thomas and the next pick turns out...

if its too early seeing as though just when and where Chi picks has yet to occur, how can you definitively say Curry is still better than any combo put together from the trade.

for instance, a 1 or 2 lands them Oden or Durant. I don't care how many sheeps Isiah slays, even he can't deny that Oden or Durant + Tyrus + Big Ben is better than 1 single Curry

and looking at it in the short term from a results perspective:

Chi has 2 straight winning seasons and made the play-offs the last 2 years post-Curry

NY 2 straight losing seasons and the pick appears to be headed for the lottery

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-04-2007 11:21 AM]

I probably picked the wrong day to post this poll as it's after one of Curry's occasional impressive performances. I've been working so much to prepare for a job interview next week that I didn't even realize there was a game yesterday!

It depends on if this is all Curry is every going to be. IT was able to get Marbury to commit to defense when he had never really played it before. I know they spent this past season focusing Curry on scoring. I anticipate that they will eventually start focusing him on defense once he has the scoring down. Curry needs to slim down (he still needs to lose about 20-30 pounds) and make improvements in his individual and help defense. He also needs to improve drastically at passing out of the double teams. If he can do those three things while continuing to expand his post game, I would have to say that the trade is probably slightly in our favor (useless our pick jumps up to a top-3 selection). If Curry does not improve much more than he is now, I would say that Chicago got a slightly better deal but nothing grossly unfair to us (depending on who is available when Chicago pick). Thomas looks good but i don't see him becoming the dominate offensive force that Curry is.

Also, I really don't agree with evaluating the trade by plugging in the best players that were available. You have to factor in the fact that you don't know how good these players are going to be many times until after you draft them. So I think it is somewhat skewed to simply go and pick the best player, with the benefit of hindsight, and say we should judge the trade against that player, when it is possible we would not have drafted that player even if we had not made the Curry trade.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-01-2007 1:40 PM]

Posted by TheGame:

It depends on if this is all Curry is every going to be. IT was able to get Marbury to commit to defense when he had never really played it before. I know they spent this past season focusing Curry on scoring. I anticipate that they will eventually start focusing him on defense once he has the scoring down. Curry needs to slim down (he still needs to lose about 20-30 pounds) and make improvements in his individual and help defense. He also needs to improve drastically at passing out of the double teams. If he can do those three things while continuing to expand his post game, I would have to say that the trade is probably slightly in our favor (useless our pick jumps up to a top-3 selection). If Curry does not improve much more than he is now, I would say that Chicago got a slightly better deal but nothing grossly unfair to us (depending on who is available when Chicago pick). Thomas looks good but i don't see him becoming the dominate offensive force that Curry is.
[Edited by - thegame on 04-01-2007 1:40 PM]

Sure, he might be able to learn those things theoretically. I have nothing against gambling on a player hoping that he improves. But you have to do it *intelligently*. Look at how many things the player has to learn (the more, the less likely), how hard the things are he has to learn (the harder the less likely; and passing when two NBA level defenders are trapping you sure is hard), and for how long the player has failed to learn these things (the longer, the less likely). If the player scores unfavorable answers on all of these dimensions, you don't give up multiple lottery picks to get him. One late first round pick is a different story.

I think we lost on this trade, just like every trade isiah has made, he believes he is smarter than everyone else but when you evaluate trades you have to look at two factors. Are we going to be much better, and am I helping the other team.

Raptors, Bulls and Magic all benefited from his deals in our conference and the Suns managed to fleece Isiah into that terrible q deal.

This trade was by no means a slam dunk, eddy plays when eddy wants too, he is playing 10 minutes more a game and shooting a lot more than he did last year. His defense is still awful he is a dumb player to is always turning the ball over and making bad decisions, he gives up almost as much as he score and he needs to be the focal point of the offense......

Lets just look at the players he passed up, Roye and Thomas this year. Thomas has already proven to be a better rebounder, defender and shotblocker than Eddy and is a high energy type that is going to protect the rim. Roy can literally score on anyway whenever he wants, has good size and versatility.

We are still one of the worst teams in the NBA and don't have a lottery pick this year to help improve our team, but we are helping the Bulls get better, we gave them the ability to sign a free agent to a max deal and get two lottery picks in the Eddy deal

If you look at our remaining schedule there aren't a lot of winable games, and there are a number of teams right behind us if they win a few more suddenly we are very much in the running for another top 6 selection

NY 31 wins
Sea 30 wins
Kings 30 wins
Por 29 wins
Philly 29 wins
Cha 28 wins
Hawks 27 wins
Bucks 25 wins
Boston 23 wins
Memp 19 wins

Curry Knicks career

05-06 13.6pts 6.0rbs 0.8blks 0.4stls 0.3ass 2.5tos FG 56% FT 63%
06-07 19.2pts 7.0rbs 0.5blks 0.4stls 0.8ass 3.5tos FG 57% FT 60%

05-06 72 Games FGA 597 Min 26
06-07 72 Games FGA 902 Min 35 + 305fga

He might be able to score but he is still one of the worst all around players at his position in the nba from a +/- standpoint and turns the ball over far too much

I wasn't criticizing your poll I was just saying a week from now let's evaluate it again. And then a month from now let's evaluate it again. The idea of your poll isn't wrong. The fact that this trade has been evaluated every 2 weeks on this board is just silly in my view. The responses are the exact same. I'm not sure what additional information you are looking for at this point. I can see revisiting this poll at the half way point of next year and then again at the end of the season. But inevitably we will see 24 more of these questions everytime Curry or TT or Balkman or next years draft picks has a big game, grabs a rebound or brushes their teeth.

That's all I'm saying.

Posted by nixluva:

I think we have a tendency to ignore certain truths. This team is a work in progress and not only with regard to Curry, but in many positions. We have 3, 2nd yr players and 2 rookies that have a lot to learn. We came into this year with no real base for these guys to build off of. So the potential for success in this season was somewhat diminished. We just added one more rook and we'll add another in this draft. That's a good % of the roster that has very little experience and a lot to learn still. This on top of the fact that many of these guys weren't complete players to begin with.

Now we have seen some progress from a few of these young players and that's a good thing. Curry, Lee, Balkman and Collins have all made progress. Frye and Nate seem to have had less progressive seasons, but I believe they're still productive and could make that final transition to where they need to get. We seem to have so little patience around here and tho I understand to some degree, it's a bit silly, given the way the team is headed with more youth.

We'll have to see who Chicago actually get's in the draft and how they play to really make a good comparison. What kind of player do you see Chi needing? What spot will they eventually end up with? Who is likely to be available when they pick? There's a lot left up in the air right now. It's all about the perception that they have a great chance to get someone special, but until it actually happens it's just hype.

the only thing that's being ignored is that the team needs to make wholesale changes over the next 3-4 years if we're going to build around eddy curry.

new point guard.
new shooting guard.
new small forward.
new power forward.

we have a bench...but no starters.

i don't think it's as deep or complex as people make it out to be. we don't have a franchise stud and really not that many options to get one so we need an offensive orchestrator at the point guard, 2-way players at the sg and sf positions and a defensive stud at the pf spot.

there, i just broke down what we need. now go and get them. and until we do, we will be in the 37-45 win range for the next 3 years.

Posted by nixluva:

I think we have a tendency to ignore certain truths.

I think everyone except Nixluva ignores the truth.

J/K. It was good that you said "we" instead of just saying "the haters"