Posted by MS:

In order to judge the two we have to factor in things to truly evaluate the job that Isiah has done. In comparison in the end you realize that there is no difference, except for more team unity.


What Brown Had Working against him?
-New Players: Curry, Frye, Lee, Nate, Antonio Davis, Richardson
-Out of shape Eddy Curry misses entire training camp, playing much of the season overweight and out of shape
-Q adjusting to a new city and team while going through a vicious public break up
-In season trade losing his only veteran influence AD, and having to find minutes for Rose and Francis, addition of Q Woods

What Isiah had in his favor?-The Knicks were coming off the worst season in franchise history, players looking for new life
-New Players-Jefferies, Balkman, Collins and no in season trades

Where Isiah gets his credit

Marbury resurgence
05-06 16.3pts 6.4ass 2.9rbs 1.0slts 2.62 to’s 45%fg
06-07 15.9pts 5.5ass 2.7rbs 1.2stls 2.41 to’s 42%fg

Curry
05-06 13.6pts 6.0rbs 0.3.ass 0.8blks 0.4spg 2.49to’s 56%fg 63%ft
MIN 26 FGA 597 (72games)

06-07 19.0pts 7.0rbs 0.8ass 0.5blks 0.4spg 3.48to’s 57%fg 59%
MIN 35 FGA 858 (69 games)

So in 10 extra minutes a night, he is averaging 5.4pts grabs 1rb his blk numbers are down somehow, no increase in stls, and his attempts are through the roof. He has taken 261 more shots in three more games, so we all knew what was going on with eddy being force fed all year

Larry did an awful job with his starting lineups, awful no question but isiah has not really come across a great lineup in his scuffling either, Isiah has had to deal with injuries, Larry the same although not as severe.

Larry: Q only played 55 games last year, Marbury 62, Eddy 72, Frye missed 15
Isiah: Q played 49 so far, Marbury hasn’t missed but 2, Eddy has miss a couple, Crawford will miss 24, and Lee with miss 20

Isiah Knicks
-Number 1 in the league in turning the ball over
-Bottom of the league in free throw shooting
-One of the worst defensive teams in the NBA
-One of the more selfish units going

Important Numbers: Losses By 10points
Isiah: 20 Larry 23

So did Larry do an awful job, no one can dispute or disagree, but all this talk about progress and hope is in the fact that eddy played 10 extra minutes shot 261 more times, and marbury has decided to play a little defense, and something that you can't teach hustle Lee and Balkman will help you win games. We know Lee improved, but a lot of that has to do with minutes he gets hustle pts, Isiah never runs anything for him, and Frye, Crawford and Nate digressed more than anyone.

So there is your extension

Important Numbers: Losses By 10points
Isiah: 20 Larry 23

-In season trade losing his only veteran influence AD, and having to find minutes for Rose and Francis, addition of Q Woods

Posted by efw:

I have trouble with the decision to fire Brown because I always think you need time to see things play out. Larry possible could've changed the team over several years. I have a hard time believing he just wanted to get the money and run.

But, when the whole team hates the coach, there's little you can do.

Jamal plays zero defense takes awful shots, starts the transition offense many times with a quick shot or a bad decision.

One difference is that Isiah can control his bladder.