Crawford, Q, Balkman, Lee, Malik.

Posted by joec32033:

Crawford, Q, Balkman, Lee, Malik.

i think Nate shows glimpses at times when he's playing under control, but when he goes into "I wanna be Starbury" mode, he falls in w/Marbury & Francis as guys who have no synergy w/Eddy's game down low... we really need to commit to either a G dominated style of play, or pounding the ball down low to Eddy & playing inside out... all this back & forth wishy washy style of play from game to game is not conducive to development of our young guys & having them get comfortable in their roles... i think Frye, Curry & Nate can all be better than what they've shown, but unless the PG is getting these guys into the position to succeed in their roles, that's always going to be a crapshoot from game to game... i was afraid of Marbury going back into Starbury mode after Jamal went down, & so far that's exactly what he's done... his own personal success is taking away from the overall success of the team, & that's not what a PG needs to center his game around... he has to get back to getting his teammates involved early & then taking over ONLY when the rest of the team isn't producing... having your PG score 19 points in the 1st half is not a recipe for longterm success.

so ur saying all Isiah type players have a ton of talent but dog it? interesting... David Lee & Balkman sure don't seem like they dog it in games to me... neither do Malik Rose or Kelvin Cato when they see minutes... Mardy & Nate both play hard whenever they're on the floor, & say what you want about Marbury, but he's giving it his all on the floor this season... Jefferies is a scrub, but he's putting forth effort... Channing's not dogging it out there.... so pretty much you based that comment on 1 or 2 players on this roster... that's fair.

I am talking about crawford, nate, tim thomas, eddy curry, marbury, francis, james has a nice talent if he ever committed himself to being in shape.

Nate plays hard on the offensive and and jumps around and goes crazy but he lapses on defense and is more interested in promoting nate than he is and winning.

I don't give a **** about Marbury he played great for 60 games and has brought it and played through pain but more for most of his career especially with the knicks he has been a lockeroom dividing prick that has a problem with everyone.

You want to improve the team you do need to package eddy and crawford together...

Posted by TMS:

Posted by joec32033:

Crawford, Q, Balkman, Lee, Malik.

i think Nate shows glimpses at times when he's playing under control, but when he goes into "I wanna be Starbury" mode, he falls in w/Marbury & Francis as guys who have no synergy w/Eddy's game down low... we really need to commit to either a G dominated style of play, or pounding the ball down low to Eddy & playing inside out... all this back & forth wishy washy style of play from game to game is not conducive to development of our young guys & having them get comfortable in their roles... i think Frye, Curry & Nate can all be better than what they've shown, but unless the PG is getting these guys into the position to succeed in their roles, that's always going to be a crapshoot from game to game... i was afraid of Marbury going back into Starbury mode after Jamal went down, & so far that's exactly what he's done... his own personal success is taking away from the overall success of the team, & that's not what a PG needs to center his game around... he has to get back to getting his teammates involved early & then taking over ONLY when the rest of the team isn't producing... having your PG score 19 points in the 1st half is not a recipe for longterm success.

Other than the Nate fitting with Curry part, I agree with just about everything you said. Nate is not good enough defensively nor does he have the physical tools(height, strength) to fit on a team with a defensively weak center.

So we have a guy that could lead the league in rebounding is one of the games best finishers at his position around the basket, shoots a high percentage is an exceptional passer, good free throw shooter and a great team guy and we need to find a guy that plays great defense at the position to complement

A guy that is fat and lazy, can't pass, defend, rebound, blk shots, and play smart ball, turns it over all the time and doesn't rotate on defense, but he can score the ball when he is forcefed for dunks and opps, and hit the hook from 6 feet away, and get some guys some open looks and draw fouls, but Has no range outside 8 feet, I think the problem here is clear.

^ agree w/all that jazz

Actually I think it's clear that you can have Jamal, Q, Lee, Jared, Balkman, Collins and Steph do well with Curry. What I don't understand is why all of a sudden some of you think this team can't play well with Curry. Sure if you take Jamal, Lee and Q out of the picture it doesn't leave you with much except for role players. But when those other guys are in there it all works fairly well.

THE big part is Curry himself, improving so that he actually is part of the solution. Since he isn't yet efficient as a passer, that limits the effectiveness of ANYONE who plays with him. So it's really more about CURRY than it is with anyone else. When he can read the floor and make a decent pass, then this entire team will improve. I think that's also why Isiah wanted to get Morris. From what i've seen of him, he's a MUCH better passer than Curry. So when you have let's say, Morris, Frye and Lee int he game, that actually seems like it might work really well, since Morris may be able to make good passes to a spotting up Frye or a cutting Lee or Balkman. It's such a basic part of the game that it's a MUST that Curry learn how to do this better. If i'm Isiah, I spend ALL SUMMER working with him on this. Just catching, surveying and making the pass. He has to get to the point where he understands where his teammates will be and where the double is coming from. I don't think this will work as well as it should until he can do that. In addition i'd like to see us add a SF with range and a solid passing PG. If we can do these things this will be a very good team.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by jazz74:

i thought lee and crawford are the best compliment for curry. lee will clean up his mess while crawford will look for curry and make defenses pay if they double. people are putting down curry now that he is in this slump. however, he has become exponentially better since last year and it is all about progress. if hhe gets 20ppg and 8rpg next year, it is progress. this time last year i thought he was one of the worst starting centers in the league. this year, he is arguably in the top 5. that is remarkable if you think about it.

I think Lee and Craw are the best compliments to Eddie on this team but not the best you can find. Jamal becomes a great compliment if you team him up with a ball distributing, defensive guard at the otehr position. If you don't Jamal's poor perimeter defense definitely does not compliment Eddie.

With Curry up front you have a poor interior defender and a lack of shotblocking. They look good together on a nightly basis. But against the better teams there lack of defense and shotblockign will come back to haunt you. Now if you can find a SF that can block shots it becomes very different.

- Frye, Nate, Balkman & CHI's pick to ATL for Josh Smith
- sign D. Stevenson w/the MLE
- buyout Francis
- Marbury & Jefferies to MIN for the #12 pick, #37 pick & their garbage contracts (Blount, Jaric, Hassell)
- draft Corey Brewer (http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/coreybrewer.html) & Sean Williams (http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/seanwilliams.html)

C - Curry / Morris
PF - Lee / Williams / Malik
SF - Smith / Brewer / Hassell
SG - Stevenson / Collins
PG - Jamal / Jaric
IA - Q Rich / Blount / Turd

perimeter defense need filled... shotblocking needs filled... much improved roster w/more balance, youth & finally some sort of direction