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Queeniepop
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3/27/2007  12:47 PM
Very interesting debate on SAS today.

Started by saying the team is sorely missing JC and Lee for obvious reasons.

SAS said that a lot of callers have discussed Q, JC, etc. and when they will return. Francis and his ridiculousness. Marbs, Curry and all. BUT NO ONE EVER CALLS AND HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT LEE or Lee's injury.

Bottom line...Lee has no broken bone unlike Jamal (who played broken for 2-3 weeks) and SAS was not doubting that Lee was hurt (hi ankle sprain is an iffy injury; have to rely on what the injured player says), but he was simply stating that no one ever questions anything about Lee.

SAS says that it isnt that he is soft, necessarily but because the Knicks have a white fan base and because he is obviously white.

One caller who is white called in and said its true. He related what he was saying to Wayne Cherbet.

Now I am white and I don't really look at things this way, but mike (his radio partner) thought this was an interesting debate. Apparently, he had a log jam of callers about this as well.

What are your thoughts?
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3/27/2007  12:47 PM
I think its bull****.
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3/27/2007  12:48 PM
Lee, meanwhile, has shut it down again for an indefinite time, and revealed Kicks doctors will make the next call on when and if he plays this season - a sign Lee's overzealousness led him to coming back too early on Friday.

Lee played just 10 minutes Friday.

"I was pretty much in pain for 48 hours," Lee said. "After reviewing that with the doctors, it probably indicates it's not ready to go. And I don't have a timetable right now. I'm laying off it a bit and be back as soon as I can."

Lee said he won't make the decision next time.

"(The doctors) want to keep reviewing it," Lee said. "They'll let me know when I'm ready to go. It wasn't a mistake. I did it for the right reasons."
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3/27/2007  12:48 PM
Are you white?
Queeniepop
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3/27/2007  12:49 PM
Nothing is broken...Jamal played in pain for two months and then 2-3 weeks with his ankle fractured.
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3/27/2007  12:49 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

Are you white?

Yes, I'm white, but it shouldn't matter what color you are.
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3/27/2007  12:50 PM
I don't see anyone dissing Jamal or Q because they are out injured, which would be the inference about white people, since they are black.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-27-2007 12:51 PM]
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3/27/2007  12:51 PM
STOP IT
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3/27/2007  1:00 PM
I am not white and the reason I like DLee is because of his game. Same reason I like the Balkster. You work hard you get the benefit of the doubt.
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3/27/2007  1:00 PM
I fail to see the outpouring of questions reganding the toughness of Q or Craw that is being referred to.

What I do see is people wondering when they will be back...Q especially, since we have not had any injury info on him since he went out. Lee we usually get a game to game description of his practice condition.
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3/27/2007  1:01 PM
at some subconcious level, i think race plays a part in people's opinions on various things. for some it's very important, for others not that important. but i just think it is a factor at some level.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-27-2007 1:02 PM]
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3/27/2007  1:03 PM
I think Jamal playing with that stress fracture was an assinine decision on his and the Knicks organization part. He could have hurt himself further and really hurt his career. This has nothing to do with toughness or mental strength. It's about being smart.

Besides last Friday, the Knicks and David Lee are being smart. This is a lost season and Lee is injured and can hurt himself further if he plays any further, while he's still in pain. So what the heck is the point in letting him play at all? To make losing look a little better? To turn us from bad to mediocre even though he's not that effective while playing injured? Lee needs to be shut down for the rest of the season.

Has nothing to do with being black or white. I'm surprised that's even an issue. People always blow this race and gender and sexuality crap way out of proportion. People are people.
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3/27/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

at some subconcious level, i think race plays a part in people's opinions on various things. for some it's very important, for others not that important. but i just think it is a factor at some level.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-27-2007 1:02 PM]

Lets just not say race....but expand it to physical relatability.
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3/27/2007  1:03 PM
I'm entertained by Stephen A most of the time. I make a point to listen to his show directly after a Knicks game. But, truth be told, he can make a cheeseburger into a black/white issue.
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djsunyc
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3/27/2007  1:05 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by djsunyc:

at some subconcious level, i think race plays a part in people's opinions on various things. for some it's very important, for others not that important. but i just think it is a factor at some level.

Lets just not say race....but expand it to physical relatability.

sounds good.
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3/27/2007  1:13 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I am not white and the reason I like DLee is because of his game. Same reason I like the Balkster. You work hard you get the benefit of the doubt.

thats simply it. Lee works hard and shows improvement; Q is busted and JC is a lost cause.

[Edited by - jaydh on 03-27-2007 1:13 PM]
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3/27/2007  1:15 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

Are you white?

I'm not white and I think it's BS. I think of Balkman the same way I think of Lee. 2 guys who play with effort all the time but have limitations.
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3/27/2007  1:16 PM
I think that Lee's high popularity does stem to some small degree from the fact that he is white, and I am not saying anything is wrong with that because people tend to identify with people from their own race. I, however, know that his being white is only a small reason for his high popularity. The primary reason is that he plays hard and produces on the court, which is the same reason people like Balkman and are starting to like Marbury again. Bottomline, if David Lee did not produce, he would not be as popular, but the fact that he is white certainly does not hurt his popularity with the white fan base.

I don't know about all this forgiving Lee stuff because I did not realize anyone was questioning Q or Crawford's injuries. The only injury that was suspect was Francis's supposed injury, which really was a smokescreen for the team buying him out apparently.
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3/27/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

at some subconcious level, i think race plays a part in people's opinions on various things. for some it's very important, for others not that important. but i just think it is a factor at some level.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-27-2007 1:02 PM]

come on spit it out DJ.

Back in the day when Joe Louis was boxing everyone of the black race was rooting for him to knock out any white boxer because of race relations in america was so strained.

Now with basketball it's a similar thought process. The league and fan base is looking for the next great white hope in pro ball since most of the players on the court are black.

thoughts

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3/27/2007  1:18 PM
^^ please you're reaching.
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