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Anji
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3/25/2007  2:17 PM
I hate to give the Dinosaurs credit, but Bosh is pretty much having the same season as last year. The real difference in that team from last year to this year is mostly Ford/and Calzone . And they traded a young big to get Ford............. with Lee, Curry and now Morris in tow should we do the same???

So I ask you, would trade Frye for a point guard that fits this team???? Which I would say is a guy would can Pass and shoot or play D.
Andrea Miller- Pass/Shoot/D but 31
Chauncey Billups- Pass/Shoot/D but 31
Jamaal Tinsley- Pass/Shoot 29
Brevin Knight- Pass/D 32
Sergio Rodriguez- Pass/Shoot 20something
Jarrett Jack-Pass/D 20something
Luke Ridnour- Pass/Shoot 26

I think looking at everything all these players bring plus age and where we are at with Curry still filling his shoes and Marbury with a little time before he is out, I would want Jack the most.

Think we could trade Frye for Jack????
Frye, Q & Collins for Jack & LaFrentz
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Frye & Nate for Jack & Fred Jones
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3/25/2007  2:26 PM
I love how its commonplace to bring up Frye trades around here NOW even though the same people that are NOW saying we should trade him, were the same people calling myself and others Haters and UK Mafia when we brought up the Frye trade ideas last offseason and earlier this year.
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3/25/2007  2:26 PM
Jack is Portland's PG of the future. Unless they feel Sergio Rodriguez is going to be better, I doubt they would trade Jack for Frye and Nate. We would have an easier time getting Rodriguez or Luke Ridnour.
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3/25/2007  2:35 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I love how its commonplace to bring up Frye trades around here NOW even though the same people that are NOW saying we should trade him, were the same people calling myself and others Haters and UK Mafia when we brought up the Frye trade ideas last offseason and earlier this year.

Who??? I started the season proposing a "would you trade frye to move francis" thread. Wasn't me buddy, only thing Ive said is don't act like he does have value when you make this trade ideas.
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3/25/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Jack is Portland's PG of the future. Unless they feel Sergio Rodriguez is going to be better, I doubt they would trade Jack for Frye and Nate. We would have an easier time getting Rodriguez or Luke Ridnour.
Frye and Nate is a very good package, depending on what is available when they draft I don't think it is impossible.
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3/25/2007  2:46 PM
package frye + crawford + robinson for j-rich + monta ellis

years from now they will be calling monta "money" ellis
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3/25/2007  2:54 PM
Honestly I'd rather keep Frye and give him another chance year & do what you mentioned with Curry.
Deal Curry for an established somebody, whether PG,PF or SG a person who brings something to the table.

Then I'd go for some decent Defensive oriented Center to play the pivot who can block a few shots
and offer some rebounding presence.

as far as Curry, What about Okafur ? He's a stud and not a PG
But as far as center is concerned, Okafur would fix alot of the Knicks issues and I know it would
be mission impossible for NY to do deal with Jordan's Bobcats for Okafur.

Deal with Curry and perhaps players or two could be enticing to Bobcats. I want Curry out of here
He is a New York's waste of time. Nice kid I like but he's reached his peak. The Curry experiment is dead. Lets get something for Curry while he still has some trade appeal.

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3/25/2007  3:02 PM
Posted by Bobby:

package frye + crawford + robinson for j-rich + monta ellis

years from now they will be calling monta "money" ellis

HOw does MOnta ellis fill anything the knicks need out of a point guard??? And if JC played in Nelly ball he would be averaging way more then Eillis in points, assist & steals so why???
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3/25/2007  3:05 PM
are you saying this team needs a point guard?

as long as isiah is in charge, and marbury's towel is on the bench, we're never going to go out and get a point guard. at least not a decent one anyway.

frye for ridnour would be the closest thing we MAY be able to do.
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3/25/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by DJMUSIC:

Honestly I'd rather keep Frye and give him another chance year & do what you mentioned with Curry.
Deal Curry for an established somebody, whether PG,PF or SG a person who brings something to the table.

Then I'd go for some decent Defensive oriented Center to play the pivot who can block a few shots
and offer some rebounding presence.

as far as Curry, What about Okafur ? He's a stud and not a PG
But as far as center is concerned, Okafur would fix alot of the Knicks issues and I know it would
be mission impossible for NY to do deal with Jordan's Bobcats for Okafur.

Deal with Curry and perhaps players or two could be enticing to Bobcats. I want Curry out of here
He is a New York's waste of time. Nice kid I like but he's reached his peak. The Curry experiment is dead. Lets get something for Curry while he still has some trade appeal.


I call this the "Hen that lays golden eggs" pardox, which means why would you sell a hen that lays golden eggs for gold. If Curry is worth Okafur then why are we trying to trade him??? Curry is here to stay and he's domniate as a low post scorer is worth keeping around.
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3/25/2007  3:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

as long as isiah is in charge, and marbury's towel is on the bench, we're never going to go out and get a point guard. at least not a decent one anyway.

To me, its as long as JC is here we're never going to get a real PG, but to each his own.
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3/25/2007  3:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

are you saying this team needs a point guard?

as long as isiah is in charge, and marbury's towel is on the bench, we're never going to go out and get a point guard. at least not a decent one anyway.

frye for ridnour would be the closest thing we MAY be able to do.
I gotta believe that next year will be Marburys last year, Isiah has no loyalty to him. He can't even run his quick offense because of all our guards and smallforwards, Crawford is the only guy who pass at a decent level.

YOu really believe Ridnour is the only person Frye could net off that list???? I think if the blaers are picking and the BPA is Point Guard, Jack could be had.........

[Edited by - anji on 03-25-2007 3:17 PM]
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3/25/2007  3:22 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by Bobby:

package frye + crawford + robinson for j-rich + monta ellis

years from now they will be calling monta "money" ellis

HOw does MOnta ellis fill anything the knicks need out of a point guard??? And if JC played in Nelly ball he would be averaging way more then Eillis in points, assist & steals so why???

Ellis is already better than Crawford...and millions cheaper

#'s arent inflated due to Nellie ball like say a Matt Barnes. Ellis gets his because he takes and makes the 18 footer when its there and he consistently attacks the rim in the half and open court


[Edited by - McK1 on 25-03-2007 3:27 PM]
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3/25/2007  3:29 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by djsunyc:

are you saying this team needs a point guard?

as long as isiah is in charge, and marbury's towel is on the bench, we're never going to go out and get a point guard. at least not a decent one anyway.

frye for ridnour would be the closest thing we MAY be able to do.
I gotta believe that next year will be Marburys last year, Isiah has no loyalty to him. He can't even run his quick offense because of all our guards and smallforwards, Crawford is the only guy who pass at a decent level.

YOu really believe Ridnour is the only person Frye could net off that list???? I think if the blaers are picking and the BPA is Point Guard, Jack could be had.........

[Edited by - anji on 03-25-2007 3:17 PM]

ridnour is better than jack.
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by Bobby:

package frye + crawford + robinson for j-rich + monta ellis

years from now they will be calling monta "money" ellis

HOw does MOnta ellis fill anything the knicks need out of a point guard??? And if JC played in Nelly ball he would be averaging way more then Eillis in points, assist & steals so why???

Ellis is already better than Crawford...and millions cheaper

#'s arent inflated due to Nellie ball like say a Matt Barnes. Ellis gets his because he takes and makes the 18 footer when its there and he consistently attacks the rim in the half and open court


[Edited by - McK1 on 25-03-2007 3:27 PM]

I would like to see that out side of Nelly ball before I say ellis has done anything close to what Crawford has done. JC more or less has been the man on the knicks from the end of last year to his injury. Ellis running around getting 75 possions a game with Barron Davis/J Rich/ Al harrington/ steve smith playing in the back court with him for the whole season is a little difference situation in my eyes. Just a smigit.....

[Edited by - anji on 03-25-2007 3:33 PM]
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3/25/2007  3:32 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by djsunyc:

are you saying this team needs a point guard?

as long as isiah is in charge, and marbury's towel is on the bench, we're never going to go out and get a point guard. at least not a decent one anyway.

frye for ridnour would be the closest thing we MAY be able to do.
I gotta believe that next year will be Marburys last year, Isiah has no loyalty to him. He can't even run his quick offense because of all our guards and smallforwards, Crawford is the only guy who pass at a decent level.

YOu really believe Ridnour is the only person Frye could net off that list???? I think if the blaers are picking and the BPA is Point Guard, Jack could be had.........

[Edited by - anji on 03-25-2007 3:17 PM]

ridnour is better than jack.

Oh, I didn't know you felt that way. I though you were saying that is all the knicks could get. They need a general and I don't who is the best but we somebody young to grow with our team(and also wait alittle bit til marbury is gone).
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3/25/2007  3:49 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by Bobby:

package frye + crawford + robinson for j-rich + monta ellis

years from now they will be calling monta "money" ellis

HOw does MOnta ellis fill anything the knicks need out of a point guard??? And if JC played in Nelly ball he would be averaging way more then Eillis in points, assist & steals so why???

Ellis is already better than Crawford...and millions cheaper

#'s arent inflated due to Nellie ball like say a Matt Barnes. Ellis gets his because he takes and makes the 18 footer when its there and he consistently attacks the rim in the half and open court


[Edited by - McK1 on 25-03-2007 3:27 PM]

I would like to see that out side of Nelly ball before I say ellis has done anything close to what Crawford has done. JC more or less has been the man on the knicks from the end of last year to his injury. Ellis running around getting 75 possions a game with Barron Davis/J Rich/ Al harrington/ steve smith playing in the back court with him for the whole season is a little difference situation in my eyes. Just a smigit.....

[Edited by - anji on 03-25-2007 3:33 PM]

J Rich missed half the season and Davis has been in and out of the lineup. Al and Jax got there mid-season

47% fr the field 16 ppg 4 assts 3 boards with and without those gunners in the lineup. He is consistent and an efficient scorer which puts him ahead of Craw in any conversation already.

playing with a Craw vs Ellis: you know what to expect as a coach and teammate. Ellis is going to stay in his limits. he's going to take most his shots from 18 ft in, he is going to attack the rim. Craw may get in the lane, go to the line 9 time 1 game and fire 3 or 4 from outside then the next game he has put up 9 3's and 2 ftas.

[Edited by - McK1 on 25-03-2007 3:50 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 25-03-2007 3:54 PM]
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3/25/2007  3:55 PM
I love how its commonplace to bring up Frye trades around here NOW even though the same people that are NOW saying we should trade him, were the same people calling myself and others Haters and UK Mafia when we brought up the Frye trade ideas last offseason and earlier this year.

"UK Mafia" has nothing to do with trade proposals, liking or disliking certain players, or anything basketball related. It was a group of posters who traveled around in a pack insulting other persons who had a different view.

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3/25/2007  4:50 PM
Posted by DJMUSIC:

Honestly I'd rather keep Frye and give him another chance year & do what you mentioned with Curry.
Deal Curry for an established somebody, whether PG,PF or SG a person who brings something to the table.

Then I'd go for some decent Defensive oriented Center to play the pivot who can block a few shots
and offer some rebounding presence.

as far as Curry, What about Okafur ? He's a stud and not a PG
But as far as center is concerned, Okafur would fix alot of the Knicks issues and I know it would
be mission impossible for NY to do deal with Jordan's Bobcats for Okafur.

Deal with Curry and perhaps players or two could be enticing to Bobcats. I want Curry out of here
He is a New York's waste of time. Nice kid I like but he's reached his peak. The Curry experiment is dead. Lets get something for Curry while he still has some trade appeal.


I really think that Frye is what he is man - I don't really see him getting much better as a defender or rebounder. For me, his absolute ceiling is maybe he expands his already potent jumper out a few more feet to 3-pt land. But that's about it. I hope (if they keep him) I'm wrong but that's how I see it. He's just not a guy that shows any indication that he's willing to go down low to do the dirty work. And if he doesn't show the desire now to improve while he's young and healthy he's certainly not gonna show it as he gets older.

Honestly I think Charles Smith when I think of Frye - always a halfway decent offensive player but at 6'10" never became a superior defender or rebounder. Basically remained the same player from his rookie season with the Clippers all the way through the end of his career with the Knicks.
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