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BRIGGS
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3/25/2007  10:09 AM
He's a little more athletic than people realize. He kind of reminds me of a poor mans Duncan[which isnt a terrible thing but let me stress poor:)] I'm going to guess Lee wont be back this year and it would be nice to atleast try and have a 6-11 260 pound skill player who will stay inside to help with Curry/defense instead of watching channing shoot 20 footers and either go 1-8 or 7-13. Maybe channing skills are better suited for a different team like Pheonix? If we can find a/some shooters/scorers in the draft and get back Crawford[at this point q rich cannot be counted on at all even if he plays and scores 30]
The only thing I will stress is that Morris has to play hard to be effective[he has some channing frye disease]AND dont expect the world out of him-------he's got to get used to the speed of the nBA--he may actually benefit being an OFF PF who will be played soft 1-1 with Curry getting DT--Morris was 2-3 teamed all year. He was on a 36 minute pace of 20-10-3 60% at Kentucky and his last 4 games were 22-11 -3
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3/25/2007  10:16 AM
i'd like to see him at PF - we need size and TOUGHNESS there - we dont have any players on this team with SIZE, toughtness, and skill. All of our players have one of the three.
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3/25/2007  10:19 AM
The biggest problem facing the team is who do we keep in the frontcourt going forward. We have Curry, Frye, Lee, and Morris. Can Morris play PF next to Curry? Can Curry expand his offensive game to include better passing and add a turnaround jumper? Can Frye become more consistent on offense and defense? Can Lee be a starting caliber NBA PF? Clearly, we cannot keep all four and give them the playing time they need to develop. I would hope that we could turn either Curry or Frye into a top-notch SG. Get er done IT.
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3/25/2007  10:24 AM
Posted by TheGame:

The biggest problem facing the team is who do we keep in the frontcourt going forward. We have Curry, Frye, Lee, and Morris. Can Morris play PF next to Curry? Can Curry expand his offensive game to include better passing and add a turnaround jumper? Can Frye become more consistent on offense and defense? Can Lee be a starting caliber NBA PF? Clearly, we cannot keep all four and give them the playing time they need to develop. I would hope that we could turn either Curry or Frye into a top-notch SG. Get er done IT.
If IT traded Curry right before the all-star break, when he was tearing the League up offensively, maybe we could have gotten SOMEBODY. Now that Curry has reverted to PURE @$$, who can we get for him? Almost nobody WORTH anything.
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3/25/2007  10:26 AM
Briggs - you are indeed a brilliant basketball mind. If you happen to stumble on the (with all humility intended) "mistereal" thread, I had the exact thought this morning at 9:42A.

Some people look at things for the superficial value. Your visulaization of Morris at power forward indcates that you are a critical thinker who is not afraid to look at another angle, away from the "popular" trends.

Morris can play facing the basket and has a decent short range jumper.

What if the young man's maturing game translates to the NBA?


Shifline Du Jour

Curry - doing what he does

Morris (cast in the image of Mahorn and Laimbeer)

Frye - for outside shooting and a 6'11 frontline

Balkman - to defend the other guys shooting guard

Marbury - hit the open man


If Isiah and the Knicks coaches can inspire, and indoctrinate, Morris towards greatness in the next few weeks, then Summer League just gets a bit more interesting

[Edited by - misterearl on 03-25-2007 10:35 AM]
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3/25/2007  10:47 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by TheGame:

The biggest problem facing the team is who do we keep in the frontcourt going forward. We have Curry, Frye, Lee, and Morris. Can Morris play PF next to Curry? Can Curry expand his offensive game to include better passing and add a turnaround jumper? Can Frye become more consistent on offense and defense? Can Lee be a starting caliber NBA PF? Clearly, we cannot keep all four and give them the playing time they need to develop. I would hope that we could turn either Curry or Frye into a top-notch SG. Get er done IT.
If IT traded Curry right before the all-star break, when he was tearing the League up offensively, maybe we could have gotten SOMEBODY. Now that Curry has reverted to PURE @$$, who can we get for him? Almost nobody WORTH anything.


Curry's problem is that he has no jumper or turnaround jumper to help him deal with the doubleteams. His only post moves are his jump hook and some drop-step moves. Thus, if he is not getting the ball within 4-5 feet of the basket, he cannot really be effective. This makes him highly dependent on the guards getting him the ball in the right place and only Crawford was good at doing that. Marbury does a decent job but is too slow and Francis has absolutely no clue how to feed the post. With the increase in doubleteams and the decrease in solid passes into the post, the result is a significant drop in Curry's production. I think other teams recognize this and would still trade for Curry if they had the PG and outside shooters needed to make it work. Believe me, we could trade Curry for a good player in a heartbeat, but do we really want to do that?

To me, Morris affects Frye more than Curry because if Morris can play PF, hit his open shots, and provide some solid defense at the position, IT would definitely have to consider trading Frye before he considered trading Curry. We really need a SG that can play defense, shoot, and pass into the post. The loss of Crawford and Q shows how much that is needed on this team. If Morris can be a competent PF, then we should probably use Frye and Nate as trade bait to get a solid SG.


[Edited by - thegame on 03-25-2007 10:50 AM]
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3/25/2007  11:41 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by TheGame:

The biggest problem facing the team is who do we keep in the frontcourt going forward. We have Curry, Frye, Lee, and Morris. Can Morris play PF next to Curry? Can Curry expand his offensive game to include better passing and add a turnaround jumper? Can Frye become more consistent on offense and defense? Can Lee be a starting caliber NBA PF? Clearly, we cannot keep all four and give them the playing time they need to develop. I would hope that we could turn either Curry or Frye into a top-notch SG. Get er done IT.
If IT traded Curry right before the all-star break, when he was tearing the League up offensively, maybe we could have gotten SOMEBODY. Now that Curry has reverted to PURE @$$, who can we get for him? Almost nobody WORTH anything.


Curry's problem is that he has no jumper or turnaround jumper to help him deal with the doubleteams. His only post moves are his jump hook and some drop-step moves. Thus, if he is not getting the ball within 4-5 feet of the basket, he cannot really be effective. This makes him highly dependent on the guards getting him the ball in the right place and only Crawford was good at doing that. Marbury does a decent job but is too slow and Francis has absolutely no clue how to feed the post. With the increase in doubleteams and the decrease in solid passes into the post, the result is a significant drop in Curry's production. I think other teams recognize this and would still trade for Curry if they had the PG and outside shooters needed to make it work. Believe me, we could trade Curry for a good player in a heartbeat, but do we really want to do that?

To me, Morris affects Frye more than Curry because if Morris can play PF, hit his open shots, and provide some solid defense at the position, IT would definitely have to consider trading Frye before he considered trading Curry. We really need a SG that can play defense, shoot, and pass into the post. The loss of Crawford and Q shows how much that is needed on this team. If Morris can be a competent PF, then we should probably use Frye and Nate as trade bait to get a solid SG.


[Edited by - thegame on 03-25-2007 10:50 AM]

According to NBADRAFT.NET guys will be available that should help the Knicks phase out Q. If Frye is to be traded, I hope it is to move up in the draft and get a guy like Young or Green. If not then I still want to see them try to acquire a second round pick to get a Sean Williams. YOu add more tradeable pieces and may help Curry push his game too.
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3/25/2007  4:00 PM
Morris although a great physical specimen, has a history of a shoddy work ethic.... so he plays hard when he wants too.

Who will be the one who motivates him on the knicks....HERB, AGUIRRE, ISIAH,GEORGE GLYMPH ?

I like the signing,i'm just not sold on what he will translate into at the highest level in the NBA.

Players who reminded me of Randolph Morris I thought would do well in the NBA Wayne Simien down in Miami,Lawrence Roberts in Memphis.
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3/25/2007  5:12 PM
I wonder if Morris is going to get a chance to play.
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3/25/2007  5:31 PM
Posted by franco12:

I wonder if Morris is going to get a chance to play.

me too, he may have more value in the offseason if he doesn't.
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3/25/2007  7:39 PM
Randolph Morris is Jamaal Magloire reincarnated, ironic considering Mags went to UK also.


He's got size, he's not a finesse Centers like people have said. That's garbage. He's touch inside, he's just not a dynamic big man is all. But he IS athletic, he can jump better than Curry (albeit not THAT much better), he's a better passer, probably an equal rebounder at this point, but the main difference is that he's just a more overall skilled collegiate talent.

Curry is STILL developing.

Morris was a legit tournament threat. He's polished.


He's also not a ***** like Frye or Curry. The way he talks is kidn of reminiscent of like Amare. Very straight forward, no BS, grizzly look.


I think he could top out as a 12 point, 10 rebound, 1 block PF/C. Which is just the type of compliment we need next to Curry,


And yes, Frye would do MUCH better in a dynamic offense like Pheonix.
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3/25/2007  9:17 PM
Lee says he's a horrible rebounder, so we'd need to play Lee or Balkman to make up for him and Curry
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3/25/2007  9:48 PM
jaydh - how about giving the young man an opportunity to play before you have him traded?

Summer League is right around the corner
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3/25/2007  9:49 PM
John Wallace - if Lee sez it, it must be the truth. I don't remember any reports where Lee said Randolph was "horrible"
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3/25/2007  10:46 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Lee says he's a horrible rebounder, so we'd need to play Lee or Balkman to make up for him and Curry

David Lee also sent me an email saying you were gay.


Youre teh gay???

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DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/26/2007  3:10 AM
Sacramento has absolutely ZERO young big men worth a damn. In fact they basically have no young 4/5 on their roster period, save for Justin Williams, who is garbage. I could see them being interested in Frye. Maybe we can work something out for Artest, maybe we could move up in the draft

Regardless, Frye is the logical guy to move. You really can't find minutes for he, Curry, Lee and Morris. Especially when Eddy is gonna be playing 35-36 and Lee is gonna play close to that wether he starts or not
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3/26/2007  3:35 AM
just wondering, if sacramento called up the knicks the day of the draft and said "give us channing frye and your first round pick, plus jared jeffries to balance out the contracts and ron artest can become your problem," would you do it?

i haven't seen much of morris, but i think i would. the knicks need a player of artest's defensive caliber if they ever want to get to the next level.

i'd still look to move nate as well, and wouldn't be averse to packaging him and crawford together.

artest and balkman as the two swingmen on this team would be a pleasure to watch.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 03-26-2007 6:38 PM]
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3/26/2007  7:49 AM
Artest is talking about retiring

BigSmOOth - are you certain you want Artest at home, with even more distractions to grab at his short attention span and unusual temperment?
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3/26/2007  7:59 AM
"I definitely like what I see," Thomas said about the 6-11, 260-pound Morris. "He's got a ways to go but there is a lot to work with. This would be a good time for him because he gets a chance to practice. He gets to see some game time, possibly, and then having him in our summer league and in training camp. He's someone who down the road fits our plans. He fits into our young corps of bigs who can be versatile."
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