Then players like Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Jermaine O'neal, even K.G. are off limits ********!

It's not.......................

He wasn't..............

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Anji:

He wasn't..............

So what did he mean by informing the public focussing on the cap will be a priority in 2yrs?

They've been saying payroll was a serious concern since early in the Layden days. They just don't want to *admit* to ignoring the the salary cap.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-25-2007 09:39 AM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Anji:

He wasn't..............

So what did he mean by informing the public focussing on the cap will be a priority in 2yrs?

They've been saying payroll was a serious concern since early in the Layden days. They just don't want to *admit* to ignoring the the salary cap.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-25-2007 09:39 AM]

No they haven't. If anything, they've said they have to work with what they have, but they never said anything about getting under the cap. In fact, I vaguely vaguely remember Isiah saying something like "It's just not an option."

Anyway, if this is true, then Marbury is NOT getting a big extension. However, I'll believe that when I see it. I think his trade value will be up by the next deadline and it will only increase. We're not getting terribly far anytime soon. Time to consider being good to him and shop him to maybe a contender.

Well I thought they had talked about reducing payroll for a while but I can't find any quotes. Maybe I was mistaken.

Isiah said something about salaries needing to be more commensurate with talent.

Isiah came in knowing what fans hated about Layden and the team and he wanted to "give the team back to the fans." (remember he spoke about riding the subways to talk to fans and to get a feel for the city) I'm sure he was speaking to our dislike of bad deals to guys like Houston, Shandon, Eisley, Van Horn, Spoon, etc.

But then he goes and gets Marbury, Hardaway, Francis, MoT, Snacks, Malik, Jalen, Skinny, etc, and trades draft picks like they were trading cards.

Isiah giveth and then taketh away... it's all part of the plan.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Isiah said something about salaries needing to be more commensurate with talent.

Isiah came in knowing what fans hated about Layden and the team and he wanted to "give the team back to the fans." (remember he spoke about riding the subways to talk to fans and to get a feel for the city) I'm sure he was speaking to our dislike of bad deals to guys like Houston, Shandon, Eisley, Van Horn, Spoon, etc.

But then he goes and gets Marbury, Hardaway, Francis, MoT, Snacks, Malik, Jalen, Skinny, etc, and trades draft picks like they were trading cards.

Isiah giveth and then taketh away... it's all part of the plan.

OK how about keeping up with current events. It's funny how this guy has only been here for about 3.5 years and the last 2 YEARS he's been working to make the team younger and I think he's been pretty successful in doing that. Many of the moves he's made have led to us being able to have the young players we have now. You can't just lump them all together and leave out the fact that we have replaced those players with better young players. Have there been some bad signings and trades, yeah. Still the team at it's core has a LOT of young players who can be part of the solution.

More importantly the cap situation is for signing a big FA. There has to be a target in mind 2 years down the line. I don't think it is the highest priority to be worried about that right now. Who knows what this team will be like by then and what our needs may be. Right now he's still focused on adding good young talent. Morris is one more guy and then we'll see who he drafts. A lot can happen between now and 2 years when our cap number can come down.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Isiah said something about salaries needing to be more commensurate with talent.

Isiah came in knowing what fans hated about Layden and the team and he wanted to "give the team back to the fans." (remember he spoke about riding the subways to talk to fans and to get a feel for the city) I'm sure he was speaking to our dislike of bad deals to guys like Houston, Shandon, Eisley, Van Horn, Spoon, etc.

But then he goes and gets Marbury, Hardaway, Francis, MoT, Snacks, Malik, Jalen, Skinny, etc, and trades draft picks like they were trading cards.

Isiah giveth and then taketh away... it's all part of the plan.

OK how about keeping up with current events. It's funny how this guy has only been here for about 3.5 years and the last 2 YEARS he's been working to make the team younger and I think he's been pretty successful in doing that. Many of the moves he's made have led to us being able to have the young players we have now. You can't just lump them all together and leave out the fact that we have replaced those players with better young players. Have there been some bad signings and trades, yeah. Still the team at it's core has a LOT of young players who can be part of the solution.

More importantly the cap situation is for signing a big FA. There has to be a target in mind 2 years down the line. I don't think it is the highest priority to be worried about that right now. Who knows what this team will be like by then and what our needs may be. Right now he's still focused on adding good young talent. Morris is one more guy and then we'll see who he drafts. A lot can happen between now and 2 years when our cap number can come down.

Dude, do you think we're adding no new contracts and not resigning our youth between now and 2010 or not?

Posted by djsunyc:

never once did they say they would get UNDER the cap. and isiah told me point blank that he wanted to be over the cap.

cap management is a foreign concept to the garden, no matter what they say.

$10 mil over is the same as $50 mil over in terms of signing free agents. so it's moot.

The only cap management that is going to be done is getting from $60 million over the cap to about $10-20 million over the cap. That's it. Once we get to that point, IT will probably try to see if he can use our greater resources to trade for a superstar that is not working out on another team by using expiring contracts and our willingness to take on salary. Dolan has stopped that tactic with the payroll over $100 million, but I think that once it gets back down to about $80 million, Dolan might be willing to allow IT to make such a move.


[Edited by - thegame on 03-25-2007 12:27 PM]

Nixluva, Anji, and Misterearl please translate for us when representatives from management speak to the public.

Like when ISAYUGH says he made a trade for a bloated contract to use it as an asset and then buys out that asset what did he mean?

Like when Dolan says he'll give ISAYUGH a full yr before he offers him an extension but then does it with 20gms left into the season what did he mean?

Like when Grunwald said the cap will be addressed 2yrs from now but that's not really the case because Vince Carter was/maybe still is a viable trade option what does he mean?


Please tell us all because we're all too ignorant.