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3/23/2007  10:32 AM
For the next 2yrs that is

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spberg235141713mar23,0,6804408.column?coll=ny-sports-print



So it sounds like the cap is going to be a major priority in 2yrs. I guess we'll have some major indications when we see what they do with the rookies. But why should Grunwald be concerned with the Cap? "It ain't his Money"!



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-23-2007 10:00 AM]
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3/23/2007  10:41 AM
Misterearl and Nixluva this was stated for the two of you.....



Other than a first-round pick they most likely will be forced to swap with Chicago - the final obligation of the Eddy Curry trade - and the dreaded mid-level exception, the offseason options to significantly improve the roster are "remote," according to an experienced NBA talent evaluator. "Unless they go sign-and-trade, they have no chance of getting an impact player," the person said.


I hope you understand now the words the HATERS have voiced for so long.








Here's another gem

Grunwald said nobody on the roster is untouchable - "Some people are more available than others," he said - but the plan is to build around youth. On nights like last night, a pathetic 92-86 loss to Portland without Zach Randolph when the Knicks needed to keep pace in the playoff race, they look light years away.


If no one is untouchable then the team doesn't have 1 franchise player on it


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-23-2007 09:45 AM]
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3/23/2007  10:53 AM
This from the guy that gave huge dollars to Alvin and Jerome Williams and Antonio Davis, with him and Isiah running things we are in good hands
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3/23/2007  10:59 AM
Grunwald: Isiah's go-to guy
Ken Berger

March 23, 2007

The man behind the curtain popped out to say hello yesterday. More than anything about the job he's held for six months, Glen Grunwald understands that Isiah Thomas is still the point guard and he's the benchwarmer.

"I don't need to be a high-profile guy," Grunwald said in his first extended interview since October. "I think my role is behind the scenes and I think that's where I should pretty much remain."

Grunwald, the Knicks' senior vice president of basketball operations, is smart, unassuming and fiercely loyal to Thomas, and has put together a winning NBA roster before.

But that was with an expansion team in Toronto. This is New York, and Grunwald now works in the World's Most Famous Salary-Cap Prison.

His decision to leave a good, sane, non-basketball life as the president of the Toronto Board of Trade paid off when Thomas coached enough out of the Knicks' roster to earn a contract extension - and thereby, some job security for Grunwald. But as Grunwald acknowledged on the phone from his office at the Garden, the opportunity to pull off something like his signature acquisition in Toronto - the sign-and-trade for Vince Carter - is a long way off.

"We're over the cap right now and next year, too," Grunwald said. "For two years, we're pretty much going to be over the cap and then it's our job to provide some different alternatives in two years."

Other than a first-round pick they most likely will be forced to swap with Chicago - the final obligation of the Eddy Curry trade - and the dreaded mid-level exception, the offseason options to significantly improve the roster are "remote," according to an experienced NBA talent evaluator. "Unless they go sign-and-trade, they have no chance of getting an impact player," the person said.

Grunwald said nobody on the roster is untouchable - "Some people are more available than others," he said - but the plan is to build around youth. On nights like last night, a pathetic 92-86 loss to Portland without Zach Randolph when the Knicks needed to keep pace in the playoff race, they look light years away.

"We like our young players," Grunwald said.

Translation: Barring a scenario that is difficult to imagine, the core of the roster probably will have to remain intact for at least another year. That means another year of waiting for the kind of player who actually could get the Knicks into the playoffs. "If an opportunity presents itself, we'll be able to seize it," he said.

Grunwald spent three years as Thomas' right-hand man in Toronto until he was elevated to GM in 1998, when Thomas left after losing a power struggle. Grunwald blew up Thomas' roster, laying the foundation for three consecutive playoff appearances from 2000-02.

Maybe there's hope for the Knicks. Grunwald can blow up Thomas' roster again while he's still here.

There were no promises when Thomas called Grunwald last summer and told him he needed him. After a year of wanting to scratch Larry Brown's eyes out, Thomas needed a day-to-day basketball man he could trust.

"I sort of knew what everyone else knew about Mr. Dolan's one-year improvement edict," Grunwald said. "And I looked at the team and I knew what Isiah could do as a coach."

In Toronto, when Thomas was running a basketball team for the first time only a year after he'd retired, Grunwald was the voice of reason - the guy who talked him out of rash moves and kept him grounded.

Thomas could have used Grunwald his first three years as the Knicks' president. Which is why, whatever you think of the GM job Thomas has done to this point, the Knicks might have it right with these two now. "He makes the final decisions," Grunwald said. "But I'm very comfortable expressing what I think are things we should do."

Problem is, there won't be many decisions to make for a while. Rashard Lewis is the likely free agent who fits the description Grunwald gave when asked what he wants: "versatile, athletic, long players." But the Knicks would have to give up Channing Frye and/or David Lee to get him.

Ron Artest falls in that category, too.

Other than that, and a first-round pick likely to be in the 20s, Grunwald is going to have to stay behind the curtain a little longer. "I don't think we're that far away," he said.

Spoken like someone who's been here six years, not six months.
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3/23/2007  11:00 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Misterearl and Nixluva this was stated for the two of you.....
Other than a first-round pick they most likely will be forced to swap with Chicago - the final obligation of the Eddy Curry trade - and the dreaded mid-level exception, the offseason options to significantly improve the roster are "remote," according to an experienced NBA talent evaluator. "Unless they go sign-and-trade, they have no chance of getting an impact player," the person said.

2 more obligations...2007 2nd round pick, 2009 2nd round pick

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3/23/2007  11:03 AM
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3/23/2007  11:05 AM
Oh, now it's about capspace in two years? Sounds like Isiah gave Dolan a new 'plan in a box.'



[Edited by - blueseats on 03-23-2007 11:08 AM]
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3/23/2007  11:06 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Misterearl and Nixluva this was stated for the two of you.....
Other than a first-round pick they most likely will be forced to swap with Chicago - the final obligation of the Eddy Curry trade - and the dreaded mid-level exception, the offseason options to significantly improve the roster are "remote," according to an experienced NBA talent evaluator. "Unless they go sign-and-trade, they have no chance of getting an impact player," the person said.

2 more obligations...2007 2nd round pick, 2009 2nd round pick


Major oversight but hey when the bargaining culture here is to overpay for everything it kind of goes without saying the media that surrounds it becomes illiterate to all the detailed ramifications.
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3/23/2007  11:11 AM
Nice, that buys Isiah at least 2 more years. Of course he'll need 3-4 years after that to implement his "new" getting under the cap and build through free agency strategy.

Hmmm, I guess it is our money afterall.
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3/23/2007  11:16 AM
Hello I must mention this once again and ask.....


Is anyone disturbed by the fact that Grunwald has come out speaking very few words this yr by saying no one on the roster is untouchable? Admist a playoff race mind you.
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3/23/2007  11:35 AM
I really see this as nothing short of an admission of failure. It's an aknowledgment that youth and capspace is the key and, ergo, we set ourselves back greatly with long, onerous and unmovable contracts and trading away high draft picks for low.


Had isiah seen the light when he got here we could be headed into capspace this summer WITH something like the #9, #8, and #2 picks already on our roster, with another lottery pick this summer.

Instead we get to go through the motions for two more years seeing if the plan will change every time some overpaid project becomes available.
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3/23/2007  11:41 AM
I really don't know what the heck you ladies are blathering about. It's been common knowledge what the Knicks Cap situations was and when they'd likely be in a better cap position. EVERYONE knows the Knicks will be out from under the huge Contracts in 2 years. That doesn't change anything. I always felt the Knicks would look to that point in time to worry about deals that require cap space. They basically have no choice, but to wait for that.

in the meantime, as far as the roster is concerned, it's business as usual. We've been operating under the same rules for 3 years. We look for talent in the same ways we always have. The difference is that we've already added a lot of the talent we need. Just because the team is currently having some issues, doesn't change the reality that this team has a nice talent base. Are we any less talented than any of the other young up and coming teams? We've done well in adding talent over the last 2 offseasons. We now have fewer needs than we did 2 years ago.

We already have an idea of what kind of players this team needs. That doesn't mean that we MUST fill that need with an All Star. By the way, it's very difficult to make deals for those kinds of players unless a team is practically giving one away. If they're really playing well most teams elect to KEEP their stars. There has to be some sort of problem with the player or the team is giving up on it's current course. You just never know when a team is ready to make that kind of change, so the Knicks will wait and see what develops.

So we draft well, look for good FA's and continue to develop our current players. Nothing has changed.
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3/23/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't know what the heck you ladies are blathering about. It's been common knowledge what the Knicks Cap situations was and when they'd likely be in a better cap position. EVERYONE knows the Knicks will be out from under the huge Contracts in 2 years. That doesn't change anything. I always felt the Knicks would look to that point in time to worry about deals that require cap space. They basically have no choice, but to wait for that.



in the meantime, as far as the roster is concerned, it's business as usual. We've been operating under the same rules for 3 years. We look for talent in the same ways we always have. The difference is that we've already added a lot of the talent we need. Just because the team is currently having some issues, doesn't change the reality that this team has a nice talent base. Are we any less talented than any of the other young up and coming teams? We've done well in adding talent over the last 2 offseasons. We now have fewer needs than we did 2 years ago.

We already have an idea of what kind of players this team needs. That doesn't mean that we MUST fill that need with an All Star. By the way, it's very difficult to make deals for those kinds of players unless a team is practically giving one away. If they're really playing well most teams elect to KEEP their stars. There has to be some sort of problem with the player or the team is giving up on it's current course. You just never know when a team is ready to make that kind of change, so the Knicks will wait and see what develops.

So we draft well, look for good FA's and continue to develop our current players. Nothing has changed.


New Jersey got Vince without giving up much

Denver got A.I without giving up much

Seattle got Ray Allen without giving up much

Houston got Tracy MacGrady without giving up much

Clippers got Elton Brand without giving up much

Wizards got Antawn Jamison without giving up much

Wizards got Caron Butler without giving up much

Sacramento got Mike Bibby without giving up much






As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-23-2007 11:20 AM]

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-23-2007 3:42 PM]
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3/23/2007  12:11 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't know what the heck you ladies are blathering about. It's been common knowledge what the Knicks Cap situations was and when they'd likely be in a better cap position. EVERYONE knows the Knicks will be out from under the huge Contracts in 2 years. That doesn't change anything. I always felt the Knicks would look to that point in time to worry about deals that require cap space. They basically have no choice, but to wait for that.

in the meantime, as far as the roster is concerned, it's business as usual. We've been operating under the same rules for 3 years. We look for talent in the same ways we always have. The difference is that we've already added a lot of the talent we need. Just because the team is currently having some issues, doesn't change the reality that this team has a nice talent base. Are we any less talented than any of the other young up and coming teams? We've done well in adding talent over the last 2 offseasons. We now have fewer needs than we did 2 years ago.

We already have an idea of what kind of players this team needs. That doesn't mean that we MUST fill that need with an All Star. By the way, it's very difficult to make deals for those kinds of players unless a team is practically giving one away. If they're really playing well most teams elect to KEEP their stars. There has to be some sort of problem with the player or the team is giving up on it's current course. You just never know when a team is ready to make that kind of change, so the Knicks will wait and see what develops.

So we draft well, look for good FA's and continue to develop our current players. Nothing has changed.



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3/23/2007  12:26 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't know what the heck you ladies are blathering about. It's been common knowledge what the Knicks Cap situations was and when they'd likely be in a better cap position. EVERYONE knows the Knicks will be out from under the huge Contracts in 2 years. That doesn't change anything. I always felt the Knicks would look to that point in time to worry about deals that require cap space. They basically have no choice, but to wait for that.



in the meantime, as far as the roster is concerned, it's business as usual. We've been operating under the same rules for 3 years. We look for talent in the same ways we always have. The difference is that we've already added a lot of the talent we need. Just because the team is currently having some issues, doesn't change the reality that this team has a nice talent base. Are we any less talented than any of the other young up and coming teams? We've done well in adding talent over the last 2 offseasons. We now have fewer needs than we did 2 years ago.

We already have an idea of what kind of players this team needs. That doesn't mean that we MUST fill that need with an All Star. By the way, it's very difficult to make deals for those kinds of players unless a team is practically giving one away. If they're really playing well most teams elect to KEEP their stars. There has to be some sort of problem with the player or the team is giving up on it's current course. You just never know when a team is ready to make that kind of change, so the Knicks will wait and see what develops.

So we draft well, look for good FA's and continue to develop our current players. Nothing has changed.


New Jersey got Vince without giving up much

Denver got A.I without giving up much

Seattle got Ray Allen without giving up much

Toronto got Tracy MacGrady without giving up much

Clippers got Elton Brand without giving up much

Wizards got Antawn Jamison without giving up much

Wizards got Caron Butler without giving up much

Sacramento got Mike Bibby without giving up much






As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-23-2007 11:20 AM]

I agree that the cap limits us, but there are still opportunities out there to explore even in our current situation. Sign and trades are always possible and through such transactions, the salary cap becomes less of a factor. We have some assets in Frye, Nate, Collins, and Crawford. I exclude Lee and Balkman from this list because I would like us to keep them if at all possible. We can bring in some players this summer to get this team to the next level, we just need to be wise in who we get and how much we give to get them.
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3/23/2007  12:29 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't know what the heck you ladies are blathering about. It's been common knowledge what the Knicks Cap situations was and when they'd likely be in a better cap position. EVERYONE knows the Knicks will be out from under the huge Contracts in 2 years. That doesn't change anything. I always felt the Knicks would look to that point in time to worry about deals that require cap space. They basically have no choice, but to wait for that.

in the meantime, as far as the roster is concerned, it's business as usual. We've been operating under the same rules for 3 years. We look for talent in the same ways we always have. The difference is that we've already added a lot of the talent we need. Just because the team is currently having some issues, doesn't change the reality that this team has a nice talent base. Are we any less talented than any of the other young up and coming teams? We've done well in adding talent over the last 2 offseasons. We now have fewer needs than we did 2 years ago.

We already have an idea of what kind of players this team needs. That doesn't mean that we MUST fill that need with an All Star. By the way, it's very difficult to make deals for those kinds of players unless a team is practically giving one away. If they're really playing well most teams elect to KEEP their stars. There has to be some sort of problem with the player or the team is giving up on it's current course. You just never know when a team is ready to make that kind of change, so the Knicks will wait and see what develops.

So we draft well, look for good FA's and continue to develop our current players. Nothing has changed.

Nothing has changed? The only trades Isiah made were taking on massive amount of over bloated contracts.
If that is to stop, it is a HUGE CHANGE from the Modus Operendi.
BTW, NO ONE in the organization ever even SPOKE of getting under the cap until now. THey were saying
that you don't get franchise caliber talent with free agent signings. Please stop your Pollyanna ramblings.
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3/23/2007  12:42 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't know what the heck you ladies are blathering about. It's been common knowledge what the Knicks Cap situations was and when they'd likely be in a better cap position. EVERYONE knows the Knicks will be out from under the huge Contracts in 2 years. That doesn't change anything. I always felt the Knicks would look to that point in time to worry about deals that require cap space. They basically have no choice, but to wait for that.

in the meantime, as far as the roster is concerned, it's business as usual. We've been operating under the same rules for 3 years. We look for talent in the same ways we always have. The difference is that we've already added a lot of the talent we need. Just because the team is currently having some issues, doesn't change the reality that this team has a nice talent base. Are we any less talented than any of the other young up and coming teams? We've done well in adding talent over the last 2 offseasons. We now have fewer needs than we did 2 years ago.

We already have an idea of what kind of players this team needs. That doesn't mean that we MUST fill that need with an All Star. By the way, it's very difficult to make deals for those kinds of players unless a team is practically giving one away. If they're really playing well most teams elect to KEEP their stars. There has to be some sort of problem with the player or the team is giving up on it's current course. You just never know when a team is ready to make that kind of change, so the Knicks will wait and see what develops.

So we draft well, look for good FA's and continue to develop our current players. Nothing has changed.

Nothing has changed? The only trades Isiah made were taking on massive amount of over bloated contracts.
If that is to stop, it is a HUGE CHANGE from the Modus Operendi.
BTW, NO ONE in the organization ever even SPOKE of getting under the cap until now. THey were saying
that you don't get franchise caliber talent with free agent signings. Please stop your Pollyanna ramblings.


Precisely. Plus, it's really not until 2010 that we'd have cap space and that requires that we wouldn't resign some of the very youth Gruenwald says they're building around.

Here's a little challenge: what team in the league doesn't have capspace available 4 years from now in 2010?

And nixluva, we all know that the day we trade for some overpriced "stud" or project that remotely fills a need you'll tell us how you knew it was part of the plan all along and capspace was never relevant for this team.
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3/23/2007  12:52 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:


And nixluva, we all know that the day we trade for some overpriced "stud" or project that remotely fills a need you'll tell us how you knew it was part of the plan all along and capspace was never relevant for this team.

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3/23/2007  12:52 PM
It's all about buying time with Isiah. He bought enough time with Dolan to get a nice big extension. Now he needs to buy time with the Knicks dwindling fan base.

Isiah can see fans getting restless again and with their schedule it'll only get worse. He also knows that they're locked in with this group of players and that chances of some drastic improvement in the next 2 years is minimal. So he keeps selling 2-3 years down the road.

We're now up to years 6 and 7, with another plan and strategy that should have been obvious (and was to some of us) from the start.
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3/23/2007  12:55 PM
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Grunwald Speaks "The Cap Is Crap"

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