20pts 7rebs, two games in a row !!! Contrary to popular belief, CHANNING FRYE ain't dead yet !!!!

i know the kid has a pulse after all

Having him start at center? And bench Curry? Is that a shot of 151 you just took? I think we all know by now that Curry is the franchise and so long as that is the fact, Frye is a goner.

Hey, I like Frye and dislike Curry's game myself, but Isiah threw all his eggs in one basket for Curry, got an extension for it eventually (Why the hell else would we get one if Curry was complaining about it with our bad record and Curry has made a lot of improvement on scoring.) and b/c of that, he's gotto justify Dolan for doing so. Personally though, if we have yet another crappy start to next season, I just see no way and no how Isiah is gonna stay. Dolan lets hundreds of millions of dollars waste away on these contracts, what more can a few more, in Isiah's fired contract, do?

The Knicks are going thru another adjustment period, but thank goodness we actually have more talent on this team so that staying competitive is even possible. They seem to always be able to dig down and find someone to step up. We've seen this team on the edge so many times this year and they find a way to win that game to keep them in it. I think no matter what happens this has been a very successful season. Just think about where this team started and how they fight now.

Just when may of you were ready to give up on Frye, BANG, he comes back and get's his game gack together. The same can be said for so many of the players on this team. Some of you want to just trash this team and give up on them. You lack the patience to see this young talent develop and I think you'll all have to take those statements back. I've been preaching patience all year and I think maybe now some of you will start to see why some of us still believe in the talent on this team.

But that's OK, some of us can stay off the bandwagon, we don't need you if you can't get behind this team now. There's so much promise on this team and somehow some us just can't see it. Just imagine sometime in the near future when Curry, Frye, Lee, Jared, Balkman, Collins, Nate etc. are all part of an improved and fully seasoned team. This is just the beginning of the climb. LB may have stalled the development a bit, but Isiah looks like he's gonna get them back on track. Some of you may think i'm crazy, but just think about how good this team will be when all of these young guys get it fully together.

We have just as much if not more promising young talent than any of these other young up and coming teams, but for some reason NY fans just can't help feeling the grass is greener in the other teams yards.

Posted by Erniecat:

Posted by nixluva:

The Knicks are going thru another adjustment period, but thank goodness we actually have more talent on this team so that staying competitive is even possible. They seem to always be able to dig down and find someone to step up. We've seen this team on the edge so many times this year and they find a way to win that game to keep them in it. I think no matter what happens this has been a very successful season. Just think about where this team started and how they fight now.

Just when may of you were ready to give up on Frye, BANG, he comes back and get's his game gack together. The same can be said for so many of the players on this team. Some of you want to just trash this team and give up on them. You lack the patience to see this young talent develop and I think you'll all have to take those statements back. I've been preaching patience all year and I think maybe now some of you will start to see why some of us still believe in the talent on this team.

But that's OK, some of us can stay off the bandwagon, we don't need you if you can't get behind this team now. There's so much promise on this team and somehow some us just can't see it. Just imagine sometime in the near future when Curry, Frye, Lee, Jared, Balkman, Collins, Nate etc. are all part of an improved and fully seasoned team. This is just the beginning of the climb. LB may have stalled the development a bit, but Isiah looks like he's gonna get them back on track. Some of you may think i'm crazy, but just think about how good this team will be when all of these young guys get it fully together.

We have just as much if not more promising young talent than any of these other young up and coming teams, but for some reason NY fans just can't help feeling the grass is greener in the other teams yards.

You make good points, no doubt. But you have to understand that many fans are simply still wounded from these past few years and are just so cynical because of what has happened with this team. That is totally understandable. They're still Knicks fans, but need to be thoroughly convinced that the team is heading in the right direction.

I think many, if not most, of the naysayers would agree there is some decent young talent here. But as long as Dolan remains owner and Isiah is GM, skepticism and cynicism will reign.

2 good posts. I agree with Nixluva and I agree with ErnieCat. Enough of the "bandwagon" emotional talk and look at where fans are coming from. The "bandwagon fans" as some of you call them are racting to 7 years of mismanagement. They are reacting to countless questionable moves by those that are still in power. I think the talent has definitely improved and by no means am down on the team. I also have seen insane moves by Isiah and am in no means bouncing off the walls with optimism after each win. The talent will not take us anywhere without the moves that we all know we need. Until I see that consistently I am taking a wait and see approach like I did over the summer. I don't get up over wins or down over losses. This team is on pace for 37 wins which is right in line with what most of us predicted so everyone on both sides of the fence can take the I told you so's and shove them in the closet.

The Knicks organization has been operating on a day to day basis for years. "bandwagon fans" are still here and always have been. They just simply do not accept the status quo. They ask for changes so that they can celebrate for the first time in 30+ years. NY fans are the fairest on the planet. If you play hard they celebrate you(win or lose). You run your mouth, slack off, celebrate yourself, are dishonest or don't represent want we want in anyway you will not be applauded. While some call this bandwagoning. True New Yorkers consider it fan honesty.

I frown upon those that say Channing was done. He's been in the league for 2 years. How can you judge?But I have no problem with those that want someone else on THEIR TEAM. Any opinion is appreciated. NO fan has to like everyone on their team. Leave that for the highschool cheerleaders.

Posted by Michael6835:

agreed with the regards to the good posts. But, many here say they are not satisfied unless they are contending for a title. Well excuse me, but what about the road to the title ? No team just shows up and makes it and thats it. We look at other teams that are succeeding now and point to them as what we should be, not pointing out the seasons of struggle that those teams had to go through. We look at other GMs and some of the roster they built and assume every GM could have had that opportunity. My biggest gripe with board here is that the people here are never happy enough. In 3 yrs, the team has been revamped and after a horrible year, we have bounced back with a good overall season. We surpassed our win total from the previous year and we are on track to make the playoffs. Not to mention, we are getting career numbers from Curry and Lee. Also worth mentioning, Marbury finally looks like he has found his niche. I maybe over exaggerating this teams abilities, but I don't spend every ounce of my day bashing them. This is just my opinion, it justs get redundant hearing the same old stories day after day.

I don't think people say that. I think they say that they aren't happy unless the team is on the road to a title and many feel that we are not. I think it's fair to say either way. I look at this team and I love the young talent but at the same time I think we need to definitely add a star to the mix or we are just going to be an okay team for years. Like the 2000 knicks. Good enough to provide excitement and false hopes for a title, but not actually good enough to contend for one. Now my question is how do we go about getting that player? Draft? Free Agency. No draft picks and over the cap makes that difficult. The reality is that the only way to acquire a player with that potential is to trade some of the young guys currently on the roster. But if you say that you are considered a Nets fan. I haven't really heard the "optimists" of the world ever answer that question. How do we obtain the star that puts us over the top? Or do they feel we don't need that player and everything is fine.

Man, I didn't know my picture was on the Internet

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Bippity10:

Man, I didn't know my picture was on the Internet

that pic looks like a sneak peak to bippity2.

that was the Bip revival party 3 years ago.

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Michael6835:

agreed with the regards to the good posts. But, many here say they are not satisfied unless they are contending for a title. Well excuse me, but what about the road to the title ? No team just shows up and makes it and thats it. We look at other teams that are succeeding now and point to them as what we should be, not pointing out the seasons of struggle that those teams had to go through. We look at other GMs and some of the roster they built and assume every GM could have had that opportunity. My biggest gripe with board here is that the people here are never happy enough. In 3 yrs, the team has been revamped and after a horrible year, we have bounced back with a good overall season. We surpassed our win total from the previous year and we are on track to make the playoffs. Not to mention, we are getting career numbers from Curry and Lee. Also worth mentioning, Marbury finally looks like he has found his niche. I maybe over exaggerating this teams abilities, but I don't spend every ounce of my day bashing them. This is just my opinion, it justs get redundant hearing the same old stories day after day.

I don't think people say that. I think they say that they aren't happy unless the team is on the road to a title and many feel that we are not. I think it's fair to say either way. I look at this team and I love the young talent but at the same time I think we need to definitely add a star to the mix or we are just going to be an okay team for years. Like the 2000 knicks. Good enough to provide excitement and false hopes for a title, but not actually good enough to contend for one. Now my question is how do we go about getting that player? Draft? Free Agency. No draft picks and over the cap makes that difficult. The reality is that the only way to acquire a player with that potential is to trade some of the young guys currently on the roster. But if you say that you are considered a Nets fan. I haven't really heard the "optimists" of the world ever answer that question. How do we obtain the star that puts us over the top? Or do they feel we don't need that player and everything is fine.

The ROAD to a title. Which NBA teams out there are on the Road to a title?

AND.. maybe the STAR we need is developing on our team right now.

OR a trade is always possible.

Teams that are building are on the road to a title. If you want to nitpick over a sentence feel free. Fans don't want to simply see progress. They want to see progress which they feel has a chance to let them compete for a title. They don't want to see progress which is not designed to go the distance but is instead there to fill the seats. Whether we are on a legitimate building path or not is up to the fan to say. Some fans say all the pieces are in place and we are on a path that will put us in title contention in a few years. Some say we can contend if Isiah makes the right moves from here on out instead of wasting moves on "superstars". And some feel we are doomed. All of these point of views are pretty legitimate and arguable. Do you not think so? Or is only your point of view legit?

nyk4ever: Do you ever notice that "optimists never really answer the question I asked in the first post? Never. They never say where that star is going to come from. But what they do(as you can see in Kam's post) is attack a meaningless sentence structure, or pick on a word to make me out to be unreasonable. Then they proceed to ask the exact same question that I asked in the first place. Is that star on the roster? and if not how do we trade for one?

The only logical answer is to get rid of some of the youth. But if you suggest that.............

Maybe trading Malik and JJ will get it done. This is what shapes peoples opinions of this team Kam77. Some people don't think that player is currently on the roster. That's fine. That in itself is not a bad thing. The question is how do we acquire this player? Any trade that includes some of the youth does not mean a person hates the yough it's just that they realize that is the only way to get somehting like this done.

It's a legitimate question that can be answered without blowing up at teh person who asked it. I think the people that blow up when you ask it are actually the pessimists. They are so afraid to answer the question because they may have a negative answer that they literally get angry.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-20-2007 3:07 PM]