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Channing frye HAS to play even HARDER more focused
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BRIGGS
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3/17/2007  3:25 PM
He played hard the first 5 minutes--and while he made some baskets later in the game--primarily disappeared again. He has to MAINTAIN intensity focus for the ENTIRE minutes he plays. he can be better--but he has to want to do it. It's IMPERATIVE for the knicks as a team that he does so.
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TrueBlue
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3/17/2007  3:27 PM
Dude this applies to every Knick player.
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3/17/2007  3:47 PM
ehehe, to a point TrueBlue but it stood out last night with Frye more than anyone else... He looked very hesitant on a few occasions. One was shortly before his last shot that missed. Other players get rattled but they don't look so nervous. Even the announcers mentioned it. He really looked afraid.

But, that said, I do think he can come around. Like Briggs said he needs to maintain focus, but I'd go a step further and say he needs to understand this whole thing and what is happening to him. I seem to prefer the understanding route opposed to the brute method, though he needs to be more consistent with his brute and aggressiveness.

We all saw what he could do last night. I think he even did a little inside. Then again, he might just crack under the pressure and be one of those players who can't handle NY...
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oohah
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3/17/2007  5:08 PM
The PG's took him out of the game in the second half and he lost his feel. Once he got it back he made a couple of more shots.

This isn't just a Frye problem. We have seen this happen with Curry too. The PG's have to keep the bigs involved.

The ends of games are becoming "Cuttino and Franchise"-like right now.

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3/17/2007  5:12 PM
Frye was making his own shots in the first half by cutting to the basket, grabbing boards and posting up. In the second half, he was living on the perimeter.

The announcers are completely wrong btw. They say he was never hesitant to take shots last season. I call BS b/c he was ALWAYS hesitant to take shots.

I love the guy btw and I root hard for him, and want him to be my favorite Knicks. Great attitude like Crawford, but he's soft as a baby's butt.
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3/17/2007  5:18 PM
This is a much better thread than those that propose getting rid of Frye. I think too often people make such hasty decisions with a young player and then they go on to have a good career with some other team. We don't need to let that happen here. Just stay with the guys and let him work this out. It's some kind of mental block, but I think he'll overcome it.

We really do need for the guards to be more concerned with the Bigs getting off. You can just see that isiah is gonns do something about the PG situation this offseason. I'm surprised that he hasn't used Collins more. Considering his solid D and how he tends to run the play that is called with very little freelancing. He's not much of a threat offensively, which is likely why Isiah hasn't used him, but I think that's the wrong way to look at it. He may not jack up shots, but you know he'll get it to the bigmen as prescribed. That's a positive thing for this team. Plus his D is so much stronger than Francis or Nate. I would think Frye and Curry would prefer playing with a guard who gave it up more often than not. This would allow Steph to play SG as well.
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3/17/2007  6:50 PM
Im going to side with the PGs on this one. Curry and Fry are entirely 2 diffent type big man, almost opposite of each others style.

Curry waits to long to make his move most of the time, and the only time thats effective ( before the double, or just right before) is if he's a good passer, has a ewing like drop step jumper, or can fade away like KG or duncan. He has none of the above, and if he is posted 10ft from the basket on a base line post ( which he is for the most part), and he gets it there he has 2 options, plow the middle and the call goes 50/50 or pass out of the double swing it around the court to a 30% 3pt shooter.

Our Scoring pgs think ( as much as they would like to think otherwise) if the big man/post man ain't set up with in 5 seconds, and the doubles there they dont want to risk the TO Especially if your not a good big man passer like SHaq/Webb/kg/duncun/sheed. Curry has a few nice moves, but still has a long ways to go and when ( especially in a playoff race) you have two big time scoring pgs like francis and steph, there only going to stay in the relm of things for so long before they think " Got to score "


Fry's confidenc IMO is like a roller coaster ride during the the game itself, as oppose from say... game to game. I mean he should be the perfect complimentry player to steph ( on pick n rolls) and curry (making his man pay for doubling) that he should easily be avg 16.5 ppg.
I mean from possession to ppossession you never no if your going to get the agreesive fry, the too aggressive fry, the unselfish fry, or the lost boy fry, or the solid shooter perimeter shooter fry. He has no one other then his self to blame, not the pgs.

In order for out bigs to be successfull (especially with the pgs we have) they have to establish themselves right away and let them see you handling your business in the paint consistantly ( like he did for a stretch of 25 games) and they will have no problem giving him the ball by any means necsasry, but curry has been playing eractic, hesitant, and at times out of control, getting numerous OF, TO, and rush shots that look bad, had no chance and hoping for a foul where he is a pathetic 60% ft shooter. It's not has if he is as skillfull and dominate like shaq that you could kinda over look his pethetic shooting from the stripe.

Can't keep killing our pgs for the big mans own fault, especially when they know what there dealing with.

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3/17/2007  6:57 PM
Channing is thinking way too much before he makes a move. His in decisiveness is causing turnovers. When he doesn't shoot a wide open shot it results in 3 second violation or a bad pass.
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3/17/2007  7:52 PM
We really do need for the guards to be more concerned with the Bigs getting off. You can just see that isiah is gonns do something about the PG situation this offseason. I'm surprised that he hasn't used Collins more. Considering his solid D and how he tends to run the play that is called with very little freelancing. He's not much of a threat offensively, which is likely why Isiah hasn't used him, but I think that's the wrong way to look at it. He may not jack up shots, but you know he'll get it to the bigmen as prescribed. That's a positive thing for this team. Plus his D is so much stronger than Francis or Nate. I would think Frye and Curry would prefer playing with a guard who gave it up more often than not. This would allow Steph to play SG as well.

Bingo
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3/17/2007  8:13 PM
Ys Frye made mistakes, but he also showed his versatility. Was he perfect? No. He did more positive things than negative by a good margin. Did you all see the nice passes he made for buckets yesterday? Challenging shots? Running the floor? Competing for boards? Showing his ability to score inside and out?

If he goes we need to get a solid piece back in an area we can use. But I vote for keeping him. He has all the ability and tools to become a very good player in the NBA.

When Lee comes back I hope Isiah plays Curry/Frye/Lee as the starting lineup. Their abilities form a full complement on the offensive end. Their D will come around, they just have to help each other out.

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3/18/2007  12:52 AM
There was a play yesterday where frye posted up, watch nate cut, he gave a nice bounce pass on time to nate for a 15 foot jumper. I was like, now tht is how you play basketball!!!! Frye can be good, may be a better option at running the offens through...
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3/18/2007  1:28 AM
I still keep Frye too. I want him to continue to add strength and I want Isiah playing him closer to the basket. It's okay to have him outside on some plays, but stop trying to make him a SG.

Remember how much people hated that LB curtailed our 3 pt shooting. That was good business.
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3/18/2007  1:36 AM
Posted by tkf:

There was a play yesterday where frye posted up, watch nate cut, he gave a nice bounce pass on time to nate for a 15 foot jumper. I was like, now tht is how you play basketball!!!! Frye can be good, may be a better option at running the offens through...


I said in pre-season that's who this team should have been running the offense through. Maybe Frye would be stronger now and a more polished post player. Oh well I hoep the slow development of Curry has all been worth it.
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Channing frye HAS to play even HARDER more focused

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