Putting aside for a second the quality of the entry passers, is there something about Curry's overall game that makes the entry pass particularly difficult to him specifically?

I think there are a number of reasons why it is particularly difficult to pass to Curry in the post.

1)Curry has not outside shot. A lot of post players have an outside shot. This makes it less difficult to deny the pass to the player because the post player has a number of options of where to receive the ball. Opposing teams know that Curry needs the ball deep in the post because this is the only place he can score from.

2)Curry is fairly immobile for a post player. He is not as quick as guys like Garnett, Duncan, etc., that can go and get the ball.

3)Curry is a bad decision maker/mentally slow. IF the pass is off a little bit, Curry has a problem adjusting to it.

4)Curry is a bad passer out of double teams. Other teams know that if they double him he is very unlikely to get the ball to an open shooter.

5)Curry is a one-dimensional scorer. So when he is out on the floor, other teams know the ball is going to be tried to be forced into him. IF the knicks aren't going to force the ball into Curry there is no other reason for him to be out there.

6)Finally there is the surrounding player factor. Because curry is so limited in everything outside of scoring(ie-rebounding, blocking shots, help defending,etc), he needs to be surrounded by guys that do these things. For example, you can put Frye into the game to open the floor on the offense, but any coach that does that is going to be screwed by the fact that both frye and curry are poor defenders, rebounders, help defenders, etc. Becasue Curry is so one-dimensional it is impossible to surround him with quality jump shooters without totally screwing other aspect of the team game. The only solution to this is to get a superstar that does all these things. In fact, I'm not even sure that there is a superstar in the league that can compliment all of curry's deficiencies.

Of Course, some post players have some of these problems, but they make up for them in other ways. Eddy Curry simply does not.

You're way too logical for some people on this board.

Great points BTW.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-15-2007 4:13 PM]

Welcome to the board Cash. I hope you have prepared yourself for the flaming of your post that is about to begin.

Posted by Cash:



3)Curry is a bad decision maker/mentally slow. IF the pass is off a little bit, Curry has a problem adjusting to it.

couldnt agree more with that line

Posted by islesfan:

You're way too logical for some people on this board.

Great points BTW.

[Edited by - islesfan on 03-15-2007 4:13 PM]

I've read around on a few boards. This board seems to be the best overall as far as ability to understand arguments and respond to them. Places like realgm are filled with a bunch of kids and others that can't do this at all. Even the arguments that I disagree with on this board are made better than in other places.

Posted by kam77:

1)Curry has not outside shot. A lot of post players have an outside shot.

So, to ask a follow up to your point, do you think it would help if Eddy Curry set himself up outside more? Then once he receives the ball, presumably single-teamed, he could start to back into his post move?

I'm just thinking that would lead to more offensive fouls.

And turnovers. Teams would start to swarm a guard around him knowing that he can't dribble or pass.

Posted by kam77:

1)Curry has not outside shot. A lot of post players have an outside shot.

So, to ask a follow up to your point, do you think it would help if Eddy Curry set himself up outside more? Then once he receives the ball, presumably single-teamed, he could start to back into his post move?

I'm just thinking that would lead to more offensive fouls.

I don't think that would work, Kam. Curry gets flaky when he's too far out and he's not on the block, if he ever developed some semblence of a 12ft jumpshot, I think we'd have a different story. I think about 2 or 3 games ago Curry had to take a jumpshot because the shotclock was winding down and it was the most awkward thing I've seen.

If he ever developed a 12 footer, I would agree with you and let him setup further out but right now it would be a recipe for disaster because he'd likely still get doubled out there, because teams know he can't pass out of it and the chances of him throwing the ball away are even greater.

Curry's court awareness is horrible. It's almost like he thinks it's the same as practice where if he puts his hand up for the ball it should always be simple for the guard to get the ball to him.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Cash:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Welcome to the board Cash. I hope you have prepared yourself for the flaming of your post that is about to begin.

Thank you for the welcome. And, yes I am prepared if a flaming war begins.

Go to he-ll cash





Just kidding

That is most certainly the place I will be going and I am prepared for it. You know what they say, He-ll is where all the cool people are going to be. J/K.

Posted by Anji:

Wow, all this was pretty much moot when we had another vilified knick in the line upjusta few weeks ago. I couldn't imagine how much crow TrueBlow and IsNotaKnick would eat if Curry had an better then semi-good passing pointguard. TJ Ford had 17assits, how would he have gottenif Curry wast he guy in front of the rim ????


SMH

Well this point is slightly off-topic as I said to begin this post that we are not considering the quality of the entry pass. However, perhaps you mean to say that factor (6) is affected. That is, in addition to everything else Curry needs to get the ball in the post, a very high quality point guard is required as well. Interesting point.

I like the issues Cash raises, but I think the trouble stems for the guards.

Curry happens to have soft hands and can catch bullets that fly by. I've seen a few occasions where he snagged things ripped down the middle that few big men can handle. The difference there though is on those occasions the defense is distracted and Eddy isn't catching and backing down at the same time. curry also does very well off alleyoops, but who besides jamal knows how to throw one?

Our stinking points simply aren't providing enough diversion to go along with their passing. Any defense can key onto set, telegraphed passes, but how about asking the PG to provide some diversion and pass off the dribble?

I don't know who's worse between Frankenstein and Telegraphbury. Franky is a turnover waiting to happen but at least he's trying to include some creativity in his madness. Baldbury just plays it safe and shuttles the rock around the perimeter hoping Jamal or perhaps Balkman (hey, don't blame me he passes to him on the perimeter) are hot.

The PGs need to get better at penetrating to pass. They rarely do so. I mean jeez, we know steph can score off penetration - denying that has got to be a huge part of others team's gameplan - so how about not drawing the foul once in a while and passing? The lack of predictability could go a long way.

The other thing is, going back to the oop thing, is consider passing the ball to Eddy high. I see our guards constantly throwing low bounce passes to Eddy that require him to reach for just when he's digging his butt into the defender. It creates a difficult center of gravity and that's when the little guards can swipe it away.

Eddy's deficiencies don't help, but a real PG and a dynamic and creative offense would go a long way towards opening things up for Eddy. There's a reason he's triple teamed and it's not all because he's so strong; it's also because the defense can do it with virtual impunity. The ball moves so slow, and the other options are so few, it's far too easy for the defense to collapse -and then return- before anything significant has occurred.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Switch Eddy and Amare and nothing major in either system changes one bit. But swap Marbury for Nash and both teams radically revise their systems.