talk about trolling! playa's back..

lol... div title or 2nd round of the playoffs is the only acceptable outcome for the season? i'm sure that's what you were expecting going into this season after that pathetic debacle last year.

If they miss the playoffs i think its a huge failure considering within the division
Nets: RJ, Kristic
Raptors: Bosh
Sixers: Webber, Iverson
Celts: Pierce, Wally
We have had players miss time, but even throughout the division everyone has been very injured and we have enough depth on the team and redundant parts that if we are missing someone we can replace them. Frye for Curry, Rose for Lee, Francis for Crawford, i don't think we need to win the division or advance in the playoffs i would be happy if we got in and at least protected the homecourt if we go up against the cavs i think we have a real shot to beat them, pistons you can't expect more than two games

Actually I think our injuries are less severe than the Nets......when your frontcourt consists of Mikki Moore, Jason Collins, Josh Boone and Cliff Robinson, your in a lot more trouble. A lot of teams don't have depth that the knicks do.....with lee out we have frye, rose, jefferies to fill in. Nacbar has come out of nowhere though and looks better than frye in my opinion, but just lately they are bery thin.....Williams, Wright, House are there backups are team has a much better bench. However the Nets still beat our ****ing assess head to head

Lee has not missed that many games this season, I just think if you look at other teams they have had more injuries to key people than we have, missing jefferies is a plus not a minus, and frankly isiah has brought in the same player in the backcourt four times so we can afford to miss players more. And please open your eyes Crawford sucks, he has never been on a team that has won more than 33 games, and on most of those teams he has been the offensive focal point...

HYPOCRITES!!! You can't freakin have it both ways. Either the Knicks stink or they are actually on par with all these teams you thought were so superior. We've had injures and suspensions all year just like these other teams. The difference is that we stepped up. The other team that did that was Toronto. So it's about time you guys give this team some respect for fighting thru all of that. Since starting the year 5-11 the Knicks have gone 24-23. Considering the injuries that's a VERY respectable record.

I'm still not understanding what some of you guys are about. Orlando at the start of the year was killing. They have the sexy players like Howard and Nelson and i'm POSITIVE you felt they were so much better off than the Knicks. So what do you think of them now? Are we miles behind them in your minds now? Washington has won 34 games, but having watched us play them tough twice do you think they're vastly superior to us now? We're not even at full strength and yet we are the equal of many of the teams with better records than us. Most of the difference in record is due to having a good start to the year, which we didn't have. As for how we're actually playing right now. We're at a similar level with all these teams. THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE MISSING!!!

Posted by MS:

Actually I think our injuries are less severe than the Nets......when your frontcourt consists of Mikki Moore, Jason Collins, Josh Boone and Cliff Robinson, your in a lot more trouble. A lot of teams don't have depth that the knicks do.....with lee out we have frye, rose, jefferies to fill in. Nacbar has come out of nowhere though and looks better than frye in my opinion, but just lately they are bery thin.....Williams, Wright, House are there backups are team has a much better bench. However the Nets still beat our ****ing assess head to head

Lee has not missed that many games this season, I just think if you look at other teams they have had more injuries to key people than we have, missing jefferies is a plus not a minus, and frankly isiah has brought in the same player in the backcourt four times so we can afford to miss players more. And please open your eyes Crawford sucks, he has never been on a team that has won more than 33 games, and on most of those teams he has been the offensive focal point...

How can our injuries be less severe when they have the hall of fame playing in the backcourt? Not too mention, Marcus Williams, the next Tiny Archibald in waiting? Of their big 4, only Krstic is really done. RJ missed a quarter of the season. They shouldn't go into the tank, they have the stars to pick up the slack.

Again, so I guess a Hall of Fame backcourt isn't enough to keep the Nets afloat without the great Krstic and RJ? And Moore and Nachbar have been stepping up if you have been watching the Nets at all. The Nets have less excuse than us. They should be well over .500

And you say the makeup of their front court means they're in more trouble? How many paragraphs a day do you devote to detailing how Curry and everyone in the front-court blows in every way except for Lee and Balkman? (Who drafted them?)

You're contradicting yourself. Either this team is good enough and put together well enough by ISIAH THOMAS to withstand injuries all over the place (Q, Jeffries, Crawford, Francis, Frye, Marbury, and Lee too by the way) or they suck like you say everyday, and they are overachieving due to good coaching. You can't have it both ways.

oohah

In all honesty i just think Isiah mismanaged the team at the start by starting Francis and keeping lee on the bench. He compelety had frye lost and didn't know how to use him, he yanked the guards in and out of the line up and everyone looked so confused it was scary. Marbury was so lost he didn't even know how to play.

I think without crawford this team is much better, I think he really makes us a lesser team, he should be a bench guy, if he doesn't have it offensively he should go back to the bench because when that happens he is worthless becuase of his defense. I think Balkman looked great when he was out there consistenly and he got a number of big rebounds and blocked shots. If your going to try to win with eddy curry why not have an extra shooter out there like matt carrol or someone like that. We really didn't need jefferies and should have gone the stevenson route or the ariza route, stay young and cheap. Stevenson took 800k for the oppurtunity to start......

I don't see why Frye was a floater and had to be the sacrifical lamb to eddy. A good coach knows how to utilize his players and having frye float and get one shot every 5 minutes doesn't help the kid. He should have been the focal point of the second unit and got more pick and pops, and pick and rolls his way......

Isiah held Marbury to a different standard than crawford which wasn't fair, we had to sit through 3-15 nights of no defense and to's while marbury was taken out and benched. he hasn't had a positive impact on nates game, he become twice as selfish and didn't care about anything but scoring.....

Starting jerome james was absolutley disgraceful he played over cato why. cato always comes in and gets after it defensively but much like frye starting, or jefferies not having to earn his minutes isiah has been coaching as a gm.

This team is a 500 team as presently constructed and in a depleted conference this year they should be better. But the problem has been we have too many guys that do the same thing, and isiah was constantly suffling in and out of the lineup early much like Larry Brown.

I think Isiah has been very lucky, one with the brawl and two with the crawford injury i think those two factors have added 4-6 more wins to the team that they wouldn't have had

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

lol... div title or 2nd round of the playoffs is the only acceptable outcome for the season? i'm sure that's what you were expecting going into this season after that pathetic debacle last year.

Why focus on expectations at the start of this season? It's not like it's Isiah's or Dolan's first season. In 2003 when Isiah took over (a more meaningful time point IMO), where did you expect the team to be by 2007? Did you think expecting a 2nd round appearance would be unfair?

i just find the increasing expectations a little hilarious... most of the people who were ragging on this team & this roster at the beginning of the season are now expecting them to get deep into the playoffs now that the team is within striking range of the postseason... excuse me if i find that just a little amusing... as far as i'm concerned, even making the playoffs would be a bonus, because at my original 36 win projection i really didn't think they'd have a legitimate shot at making it in.

as to your second question, when Isiah took over for Layden, to be honest, i didn't know what to expect... the Layden team to me was a disgrace, i had zero affinity for any of the players except for Allan Houston (who was on his last legs) & Charlie Ward... i know i wanted to see a team that would be fun to root for, & so far i think i've gotten that, along w/a team that makes me want to tear my hair out in equal parts... has Isiah met my expectations as far as progress goes in his time here? no, i've gone on record several times in the past to say i think he is not the right choice to be our GM going forward because of the lack of progress in terms of Wins & Losses since he took over... but unlike you & several others, I'm willing to give him props when I see that he deserves them, like when he gets a couple sleeper picks that every other team passed on & gets ridiculed for taking them, yet was able to make them into 2 of my favorite Knicks right now in David Lee & Renaldo Balkman, or when he gets a guy who i pretty much despised at the beginning of this season & actually molded him into a leader (this season anyway) & a guy who i don't mind rooting for now in Marbury, or when he takes a guy who's been well known as an underachiever in his days in CHI & made him into 1 of the more dominant bigmen in the post in Curry.

unlike a lot of you, i don't allow any personal grudges against the guy cloud any of my judgements about the moves he's made... i just want to see this team win, bottomline... so far this season, i got pretty much what i expected in terms of Wins & Losses, but the progression i've seen in the young players has exceeded my expectations, so anything else i get in terms of postseason play is a bonus AFAIC... sorry if i can't allow myself to suddenly expect this team to be a serious contender just because some other teams in the East have severely underachieved this season... i'm not that much of an optimist (or cynic, whichever way you want to interpret it i guess).

[Edited by - TMS on 03-13-2007 12:32 PM]

Posted by playa2:

If the knicks win the atlantic division in front of Toronto New Jersey, Philly and Boston then I would consider it some what of a success due to the fact the team quit last yr and had enough talent to perform but chose not to.

If the knicks get to the second round THEY WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED MANY KNICKS FANS GOALSAND EXPECTATIONS THIS YR. I would consider it a form of success .

ANYTHING LESS, WOULD ONLY PLEASE THE KOOL AID GUZZLERS.

Jim Jones ALUMNI... do ya hear me!


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[Edited by - playa2 on 03-13-2007 11:11]

Im sure you'd be happy if they didn't wake up with a d!ck in up their arses regardless of the W/L.

Stardard is not the atlantic, but if in the playoffs.

This is my least expectation of them for this season. 19 games to go, 40 games makes it to playoffs. It ain't pretty, but I'd take it.