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JohnWallace44
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3/12/2007  7:07 AM
TIME TO TAKE A BOW, ISIAH

By MARC BERMAN

NOW HEAR THIS: Isiah Thomas, who has shown the ability to motivate the Knicks this season, talks to Steve Francis during their win over the Wizards Saturday night.March 12, 2007 -- ISIAH Thomas has proven to be a better coach than he is a general manager. He's been a great motivator. He has turned Stephon Marbury into a cerebal point guard and Eddy Curry into a monster inside.

James Dolan has seen all of it and will today announce, according to a team official, Thomas is coming back next season, removing the last speck of doubt, with the Knicks finally in playoff position.

With all the resources owner Dolan has given him, Thomas could have done a better job as a general manager in constructing this awkward roster. He has wasted a lot of Dolan's dough, none moreso than in his obsession to bring in Larry Brown at all costs, then failing to harness the Hall-of-Fame coach. It was inexcusable.

Nevertheless, for all of his GM mistakes, Thomas has indeed coached his butt off and deserves to come back and ride this out. He has the respect of the referees, who have provided the Knicks with the second-most free throws in the NBA. Thomas probably deserves some Coach-of-the-Year votes, if the Knicks stay in playoff position.

Thomas has had help, however, because the team has had a built-in motivation to prove Brown wrong. And there is something throwback about a coach leading players he traded for, signed or drafted, like Red Auerbach did. The Knicks have bonded with Thomas with the same resoluteness they quit on Larry Brown.

Brown, however, is having a harsh few days. His chances of supplanting Maurice Cheeks as the 76ers coach took a dip after Cheeks received a meaningful vote of confidence from team officials. On top of that, he's seen the Knicks prove that last season's catastrophe was mostly his fault.

The best news is Thomas will coach, and is not just be a general manager. Although he wears his suits well, Thomas is a people person first, not a corporate suit stuck in a Cablevision board room, listening to Radio City Music Hall's marketing strategy. Thomas belongs in the locker room, on the team bus, in the team hotel, constantly building up the players' confidence.

The Knicks have three days off to savor this news before playing in Toronto Wednesday.

There's a lot to savor.

Thomas has been placed in a clown suit on The Post's backpage, provided jackass ears on our front page. But today, Isiah, just take a bow.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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Marv
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3/12/2007  7:20 AM
heeeeere we arrrrrre . . . .

lovers, take this article into the bathroom with you and have a nice whack off with it. that's about what it's worth.
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3/12/2007  7:36 AM
LOL!

Dolan's track record:

Firing Checketts
Hiring Layden
Dolan's idea to gove Houston the $100 million contract
Giving Chaney an extension right before he got fired
Giving Larry Brown a huge contract then firing him after one year

Although, I don't mind him staying Dolan's track record the past 8 or so years isn't exactly, um, sterling. I wouldn't count my chickens before I see them hatch.
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3/12/2007  7:36 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

The best news is Thomas will coach, and is not just be a general manager. Although he wears his suits well, Thomas is a people person first, not a corporate suit stuck in a Cablevision board room, listening to Radio City Music Hall's marketing strategy. Thomas belongs in the locker room, on the team bus, in the team hotel, constantly building up the players' confidence.

Ask Anucka Brown Sanders WHAT SHE THINKS!

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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3/12/2007  8:52 AM
I like the move just for stability's sake. This team can't take yet another shake-up.

I like where Dolan says that the team knows what they're doing and they're "not out there scratching their heads."

That's a huge point, and a major reason why Brown was a horrible coach.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
MS
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3/12/2007  8:55 AM
YES come out and play and salute isiah thomas for his progression over his tenure, and no one was happier than me with saturdays win, but look at the facts if we get into the playoffs it will be with a record under 500 and one of the big reason we are going to make the playoffs is because the teams most unimportant player has been injured.

Crawford shoots you out of games and out of contention, and without him the defense has been better and the offense has actually flowed. Had we had David Lee the entire time we would be in 7th place right now going for eigth.

Extendin him as a coach is fine, because he can motivate we all night that, but as a gm he is horrible and you need to hold your breathe if your excited to see him back in that role
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3/12/2007  10:59 AM
^ ha, ya, im not excited...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/12/2007  11:53 AM
Posted by MS:


Extendin him as a coach is fine, because he can motivate we all night that, but as a gm he is horrible and you need to hold your breathe if your excited to see him back in that role

A horrible GM might be a bit strong, but I dont think your analysis is terribly unfair. Hopefully he has learned from his obvious mistakes. He cant waste MLE's anymore; that has been his biggest Achilles heal
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3/12/2007  12:13 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by MS:


Extendin him as a coach is fine, because he can motivate we all night that, but as a gm he is horrible and you need to hold your breathe if your excited to see him back in that role

A horrible GM might be a bit strong, but I dont think your analysis is terribly unfair. Hopefully he has learned from his obvious mistakes. He cant waste MLE's anymore; that has been his biggest Achilles heal
hiring coaches hasnt been a real strong point either. His drafts have been average, his trades always help the other team more and his management of the cap has been a disaster. Also the teams before him won more and played harder, but he got an extension from the same guy that gave Layden an extension for resigning Houston to a $100mm contract.

Take it for what its worth

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3/12/2007  12:14 PM
Too busy to play much today but I will say congratulations to Isiah. He's narrowly surpassed the worst Gm of all time and the worst coaching performance of all time.

Looking forward, he's an average coach and we are an average NBA team with an average future.

But the good news is he's no longer got coaches under him in need of undermining.

That said, I'm not devastated by the news because if there's one thing that this team needs most to get out of this hole it's good drafting, and Isiah is above average at that.

So maybe it's time for me to bury the hatchet with Isiah. The deal I'd like to offer him is if he'll settle with Anuscha and bring back Marv Albert I'll forgive him for pulling a Gus Grisom and "screwing the pooch" (blowing the payroll) with Marbury, Curry, Francis and the JJs.

MEDIOCRITY IS OURS!!!
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3/12/2007  12:21 PM
I've said that the Knicks would be "mired in mediocrity" under Isiah for almost as long as he's been here. But some people want to praise Isiah for taking us from mediocre to pathetic and back to mediocre. The biggest problem is that one of those people is Dolan.

Enjoy your mediocrity.
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3/12/2007  12:31 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I like the move just for stability's sake. This team can't take yet another shake-up.

I like where Dolan says that the team knows what they're doing and they're "not out there scratching their heads."

That's a huge point, and a major reason why Brown was a horrible coach.

Dolan agreed to pay Brown $50 million over five years, only to fire him after one 23-win season. Throughout Brown's first year, DOLAN was quick to remind reporters that Brown's teams usually STRUGGLE in Year 1 but always become WINNERS.



JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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3/12/2007  12:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by MS:


Extendin him as a coach is fine, because he can motivate we all night that, but as a gm he is horrible and you need to hold your breathe if your excited to see him back in that role

A horrible GM might be a bit strong, but I dont think your analysis is terribly unfair. Hopefully he has learned from his obvious mistakes. He cant waste MLE's anymore; that has been his biggest Achilles heal
hiring coaches hasnt been a real strong point either. His drafts have been average, his trades always help the other team more and his management of the cap has been a disaster. Also the teams before him won more and played harder, but he got an extension from the same guy that gave Layden an extension for resigning Houston to a $100mm contract.

Take it for what its worth

These are just circular arguments that have been buried, dug up, and buried again. The fact that you describe his drafting efforts as "average" just lets me know that you have allowed to myopia to completely colonize your thoughts in regards to the knicks.

He didnt enter into an idyllic situation, in terms of cap or roster strength and nobody in their right mind thought that last year would produce a 23 win season which set this franchise back a few steps. I think there is an obvious room for improvement in many areas, but he is smart, aggressive, and hopefully has learned from his mistakes and is able to tap into his championship background in terms of further retooling the roster. We are probably one move away from being a top half EC team. I try not to be as emotional about Zeke as others.

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3/12/2007  12:52 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by MS:


Extendin him as a coach is fine, because he can motivate we all night that, but as a gm he is horrible and you need to hold your breathe if your excited to see him back in that role

A horrible GM might be a bit strong, but I dont think your analysis is terribly unfair. Hopefully he has learned from his obvious mistakes. He cant waste MLE's anymore; that has been his biggest Achilles heal
hiring coaches hasnt been a real strong point either. His drafts have been average, his trades always help the other team more and his management of the cap has been a disaster. Also the teams before him won more and played harder, but he got an extension from the same guy that gave Layden an extension for resigning Houston to a $100mm contract.

Take it for what its worth

These are just circular arguments that have been buried, dug up, and buried again. The fact that you describe his drafting efforts as "average" just lets me know that you have allowed to myopia to completely colonize your thoughts in regards to the knicks.

He didnt enter into an idyllic situation, in terms of cap or roster strength and nobody in their right mind thought that last year would produce a 23 win season which set this franchise back a few steps. I think there is an obvious room for improvement in many areas, but he is smart, aggressive, and hopefully has learned from his mistakes and is able to tap into his championship background in terms of further retooling the roster. We are probably one move away from being a top half EC team. I try not to be as emotional about Zeke as others.

the knicks had the #8 pick overall in the 2005 draft. the highest pick we've had and USED in about 20+ years. now it looks like that player doesn't have a spot on this team. that's a big red flag on isiah's ny knick draft resume.
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3/12/2007  1:00 PM
the knicks had the #8 pick overall in the 2005 draft. the highest pick we've had and USED in about 20+ years. now it looks like that player doesn't have a spot on this team. that's a big red flag on isiah's ny knick draft resume.

Was Mike Sweetney #8 or #9?

I don't think that Frye does not have a place on this team. He just has to be used a little better.

But at least we know he is an NBA player, which Sweetney barely is. All we need a is a good month or two out of Frye and he will have plenty of value to our team or another team.

Any Frye flag should be at least offset by the Lee flag.

oohah

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3/12/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by MS:


Extendin him as a coach is fine, because he can motivate we all night that, but as a gm he is horrible and you need to hold your breathe if your excited to see him back in that role

A horrible GM might be a bit strong, but I dont think your analysis is terribly unfair. Hopefully he has learned from his obvious mistakes. He cant waste MLE's anymore; that has been his biggest Achilles heal
hiring coaches hasnt been a real strong point either. His drafts have been average, his trades always help the other team more and his management of the cap has been a disaster. Also the teams before him won more and played harder, but he got an extension from the same guy that gave Layden an extension for resigning Houston to a $100mm contract.

Take it for what its worth

These are just circular arguments that have been buried, dug up, and buried again. The fact that you describe his drafting efforts as "average" just lets me know that you have allowed to myopia to completely colonize your thoughts in regards to the knicks.

He didnt enter into an idyllic situation, in terms of cap or roster strength and nobody in their right mind thought that last year would produce a 23 win season which set this franchise back a few steps. I think there is an obvious room for improvement in many areas, but he is smart, aggressive, and hopefully has learned from his mistakes and is able to tap into his championship background in terms of further retooling the roster. We are probably one move away from being a top half EC team. I try not to be as emotional about Zeke as others.

the knicks had the #8 pick overall in the 2005 draft. the highest pick we've had and USED in about 20+ years. now it looks like that player doesn't have a spot on this team. that's a big red flag on isiah's ny knick draft resume.

Frye was drafted before we got Curry
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3/12/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I've said that the Knicks would be "mired in mediocrity" under Isiah for almost as long as he's been here. But some people want to praise Isiah for taking us from mediocre to pathetic and back to mediocre. The biggest problem is that one of those people is Dolan.

Enjoy your mediocrity.

Lol when you post I wonder...Who is your favorite team???
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3/12/2007  1:05 PM


Hey look, I can post pictures of dogs too.

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3/12/2007  1:08 PM
Frye and Nate are both major ?'s

Lee was an amazing selection, Balkman will be good but was still not the best selection there, and collins is a role player journeyman type that plays solid defense, very easy to find. Ariza would have been a nice selection, but he moved him.

So he has been about 50-50 in the draft area which is supposed to be his major talent.....
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3/12/2007  1:09 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by islesfan:

I've said that the Knicks would be "mired in mediocrity" under Isiah for almost as long as he's been here. But some people want to praise Isiah for taking us from mediocre to pathetic and back to mediocre. The biggest problem is that one of those people is Dolan.

Enjoy your mediocrity.

Lol when you post I wonder...Who is your favorite team???

That's because you're caught up in that garbage like some other posters, while the rest of us just post because we love this team and hate to see it in the gutter like they are.
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