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TheGame
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3/11/2007  3:29 PM
I know he won the game yesterday. But the dude is just terrible on offense. Everyone else passes the ball around and is trying to follow the game plan and this guy is like the blackhole on offense. Half the time he gets the ball, he does a few pump fakes and jabs for like 4 or 5 seconds and then pulls up for a contested jumpshot. I did not think it was possible, but his shot selection might actually be worse than Crawford's. Plus, the guy is almost totally incapable of passing in traffic. I don't know how many bad passes he made last night but it seems like he has at least 3 turnovers a game where he just makes a terrible pass in traffic. The guy is just too inconsistent for my taste. I like him and I appreciate that he has been a good soldier when I know he wants to be the star on the team, but he has got to get his offense in line with what the rest of the team is trying to do. If he did not make that last shot, it was clear that he was the reason we would have lost that game IMO.
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3/11/2007  3:33 PM
This is the Bizarro "I think Crawford needs to go" thread!

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3/11/2007  3:43 PM
Posted by oohah:

This is the Bizarro "I think Crawford needs to go" thread!

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I just want the team to succeed and I think that Francis's undisciplined play is hurting our offense. I saw Marbury get on him in last night's game I think for many of the reasons I stated. He can and has helped the team, but he needs to play a more disciplined style of play and stop being a one-man show on offense. When he passes the ball and moves to the open spot, he is very effective as a spotup shooter and he can also create his shot when plays break down. It is just those times when the play has not broken down and he has just decided that he is going to take a shot, that I think he really kills the offensive flow of the team.
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3/11/2007  3:50 PM
if francis doesent pay 35 min he is totally not effective. if he gunna pay at all he gotta play big mins
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3/11/2007  3:51 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by oohah:

This is the Bizarro "I think Crawford needs to go" thread!

oohah

I just want the team to succeed and I think that Francis's undisciplined play is hurting our offense. I saw Marbury get on him in last night's game I think for many of the reasons I stated. He can and has helped the team, but he needs to play a more disciplined style of play and stop being a one-man show on offense. When he passes the ball and moves to the open spot, he is very effective as a spotup shooter and he can also create his shot when plays break down. It is just those times when the play has not broken down and he has just decided that he is going to take a shot, that I think he really kills the offensive flow of the team.

I agree. I say play the crap out of him then trade he and Crawford for Ray Allen!

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3/11/2007  4:09 PM
I would rather see Francis than Nate.
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3/11/2007  4:37 PM
I don't like Francis playing, but without Q or Craw, our options are extremely limited.
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3/11/2007  5:17 PM

It's amazing how long these guys has been in the NBA and have no concept of team ball...

Kills Marbs all you want but at least he plays within the structure of the offense..



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 5:19 PM]
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3/11/2007  5:43 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Kills Marbs all you want but at least he plays within the structure of the offense..



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 5:19 PM]

Yeah recently...
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3/11/2007  6:15 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Kills Marbs all you want but at least he plays within the structure of the offense..



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 5:19 PM]

Yeah recently...

Right..People wasn't raving about the way he played with Dolaec and Van Horn...

And pick a roll with KT...



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 6:17 PM]
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3/11/2007  6:18 PM
I could live wihtout ever seeing his flat shot again. Looks like he's trying to bust a hole in the backboard
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3/11/2007  6:25 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Kills Marbs all you want but at least he plays within the structure of the offense..



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 5:19 PM]

Yeah recently...

Right..People wasn't raving about the way he played with Dolaec and Van Horn...

And pick a roll with KT...



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 6:17 PM]

Who would have thought a PG would be expected to pass the ball SOMETIMES. What a concept.
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3/11/2007  6:26 PM
I hate when he touches the ball. I expect either a bad pass after running down the shot clock and finally deciding he can't score or a bad shot. He appears to be clueless about team basketball.
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3/11/2007  6:52 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Kills Marbs all you want but at least he plays within the structure of the offense..



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 5:19 PM]

Yeah recently...

Right..People wasn't raving about the way he played with Dolaec and Van Horn...

And pick a roll with KT...



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 6:17 PM]

Who would have thought a PG would be expected to pass the ball SOMETIMES. What a concept.

I guess averaging 8 assist per game for 10 years just isn't enough to satisfy some people...
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3/11/2007  7:04 PM
Posted by holfresh:
I guess averaging 8 assist per game for 10 years just isn't enough to satisfy some people...

if he'd played the way he's played this year & averaged only 5 assists a game for his career while playing hard nosed defense & being a leader on the floor both on & off the court, he'd be much more highly regarded throughout the league by his peers, coaches & the more knowledgeable fans of basketball.
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3/11/2007  7:09 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Kills Marbs all you want but at least he plays within the structure of the offense..



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 5:19 PM]

Yeah recently...

Right..People wasn't raving about the way he played with Dolaec and Van Horn...

And pick a roll with KT...



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-11-2007 6:17 PM]

Who would have thought a PG would be expected to pass the ball SOMETIMES. What a concept.

I guess averaging 8 assist per game for 10 years just isn't enough to satisfy some people...


2 of which were with the Knicks.

I'll give Marbury props for his career.

9.3
8.2
6.4
5.5

What are these numbers:

2003-2004 - 9.3
2004-2005 - 8.2
2005-2006 - 6.4
2006-2007 - 5.5

7.35 assists for his career in NY heavily weighted by his fist season, but not taking out any random numbers that is his average over 4 years here.

8.32 assists/gm average the 9 years before.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3099/career

Taking all biases aside, if nothing else, this can point to a decline in Marbury's game. He's 30 with 40 year old ankles and 50 year old knees. You really may have to look at where he fits in long term and do a type of "benefit vs cost" analysis.
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3/11/2007  7:10 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:
I guess averaging 8 assist per game for 10 years just isn't enough to satisfy some people...

if he'd played the way he's played this year & averaged only 5 assists a game for his career while playing hard nosed defense & being a leader on the floor both on & off the court, he'd be much more highly regarded throughout the league by his peers, coaches & the more knowledgeable fans of basketball.

As someone who has only wanted this from Marbury for at least the past 2 years(possibly 3), this is a very true statement.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 03-11-2007 7:11 PM]
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3/11/2007  8:03 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:
I guess averaging 8 assist per game for 10 years just isn't enough to satisfy some people...

if he'd played the way he's played this year & averaged only 5 assists a game for his career while playing hard nosed defense & being a leader on the floor both on & off the court, he'd be much more highly regarded throughout the league by his peers, coaches & the more knowledgeable fans of basketball.

Someone thought enough of him to give him close to 20 mil a year...The guy has made the all star team two times in his career...He has been on some bad teams...Not trying to make any apologies for Marbury and I think the subject matter has drifted away from my original point...My point was that Marybury plays within the structure of the team the someone said only this year..I beg to differ..
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3/11/2007  8:06 PM
2 of which were with the Knicks.

I'll give Marbury props for his career.

9.3
8.2
6.4
5.5

What are these numbers:

2003-2004 - 9.3
2004-2005 - 8.2
2005-2006 - 6.4
2006-2007 - 5.5

7.35 assists for his career in NY heavily weighted by his fist season, but not taking out any random numbers that is his average over 4 years here.

8.32 assists/gm average the 9 years before.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3099/career

Taking all biases aside, if nothing else, this can point to a decline in Marbury's game. He's 30 with 40 year old ankles and 50 year old knees. You really may have to look at where he fits in long term and do a type of "benefit vs cost" analysis.

the low assist totals the last two years have come because he's dominating the ball less. he moves the ball much earlier in the shot clock now. some of those high assist years, most people would say he was playing bad basketball. but his first season here when he averaged 19.9ppg and 9.5apg I still contend was some of the best ball he ever played. especially considering his teammates at the time.
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3/11/2007  8:09 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
2 of which were with the Knicks.

I'll give Marbury props for his career.

9.3
8.2
6.4
5.5

What are these numbers:

2003-2004 - 9.3
2004-2005 - 8.2
2005-2006 - 6.4
2006-2007 - 5.5

7.35 assists for his career in NY heavily weighted by his fist season, but not taking out any random numbers that is his average over 4 years here.

8.32 assists/gm average the 9 years before.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3099/career

Taking all biases aside, if nothing else, this can point to a decline in Marbury's game. He's 30 with 40 year old ankles and 50 year old knees. You really may have to look at where he fits in long term and do a type of "benefit vs cost" analysis.

the low assist totals the last two years have come because he's dominating the ball less. he moves the ball much earlier in the shot clock now. some of those high assist years, most people would say he was playing bad basketball. but his first season here when he averaged 19.9ppg and 9.5apg I still contend was some of the best ball he ever played. especially considering his teammates at the time.

I'd have to agree. But the team was filled with alot more complimentary players that fit well with Stephon.
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