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djsunyc
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3/7/2007  11:08 AM 

quentin  fgm-fga    fg%    3pm-3pa   3fg%   ftm-fta   ft%   ast   to's   reb   blk   pts
season   4.7-11.2   41.9   2.0-5.3   37.4   1.7-2.5   69.2  2.3   1.5    7.4   0.1   13.1
3 games  7.3-16.0   45.6   4.0-9.3   43.0   3.3-4.3   76.7  2.7   0.7    9.0   0.0   22.0


marbury  fgm-fga    fg%    3pm-3pa   3fg%   ftm-fta   ft%   ast   to's   reb   blk   pts
season   5.1-12.1   42.5   1.5-4.1   37.9   4.0-5.2   76.7  5.5   2.5    3.0   0.1   15.8
4 games  10.5-20.3  51.7   5.5-10.0  55.5   7.3-8.8   82.9  5.8   2.5    2.8   0.0   33.8    


eddy     fgm-fga    fg%    3pm-3pa   3fg%   ftm-fta   ft%   ast   to's   reb   blk   pts
season   7.2-12.3   58.4   0-0       0      5.0-8.1   60.9  0.8   3.4    7.0   0.5   19.3
4 games  5.5-12.0   45.8   0-0       0      5.5-11.0  50.0  2.0   4.0    6.8   0.8   16.5


                 opp             opp             opp
knicks   pts     pts      rebs   rebs    fg%     fg%
season   99.7    101.7    43.6   39.3    46.1    46.3
4 games  100.7   99.8     40.3   38.5    46.9    47.8


knicks record: 2-2


[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-07-2007 11:40 AM]
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3/7/2007  11:15 AM
Eddy at 45% without Jamal, loss some weight big guy! We need DLee, I don't think we lose that Celtics game or last night with Lee.....His ability to get second chance points and passing are really missed.....

Crawford not so much
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3/7/2007  11:16 AM
Yeah it seems like Eddy has been the biggest victim. He's seeing even more attention and he's not getting as many good possessions, where he can do something with the ball. He and Jamal had that chemistry. Then you add in the HORRIBLE response he's been having to the doubles and he's looking bad right now.

As for Steph, it doesn't surprise me that he's been able to play at this level. I've always felt that he had this in him. It actually has bothered me a little that so many have wanted him to tone down his All Star level of play and become a passer. The guy is a freakin baller. He's matured cuz even tho he's stepped his level up, he's still looking to get the team involved and he's not hogging the ball. We just haven't been able to get much out of the extra guys.

I can't wait for Lee to come back. I miss his timely rebounding and energy.
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3/7/2007  11:30 AM
I get a kick out of Eddy's rebounding numbers without Lee, Q suffering from a bad back, limited play of Balkman because supposedly they were the reason he doesn't have high rebounding numbers. LOL at any NITWIT who used that as an excuse.
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3/7/2007  11:35 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I get a kick out of Eddy's rebounding numbers without Lee, Q suffering from a bad back, limited play of Balkman because supposedly they were the reason he doesn't have high rebounding numbers. LOL at any NITWIT who used that as an excuse.

glad your enjoying this


Its not just Jamal, Eddy seems to have dead legs right now. The constant doubling and some cases tripling seems to be finally taking a toll on him. It would also help Curry if the other Knicks would cut to the basket when Eddy is doubled instead of hanging around the perimeter. Lee and balk are the only ones who seem to cut to the basket.
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3/7/2007  11:40 AM
Curry had 8 last night... what's your point? he's averaging a little over 7 a night this year, which isn't good by any stretch, but isn't horrible either... no one has ever said Curry was a good rebounder either... i realize you just want to be a PITA by taking potshots at people who offer up a possible reason why he may not be grabbing as many as he could on a particular night, but try to have a valid argument when you do it.
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3/7/2007  11:48 AM
Posted by TMS:

Curry had 8 last night... what's your point? he's averaging a little over 7 a night this year, which isn't good by any stretch, but isn't horrible either... no one has ever said Curry was a good rebounder either... i realize you just want to be a PITA by taking potshots at people who offer up a possible reason why he may not be grabbing as many as he could on a particular night, but try to have a valid argument when you do it.

This is a guy who supoosedly wants to be and believe he was snubbed as an All-Star. Is he showing it on both ends of the court? And once again the team gave up a lot to get him and need far more than a 1-way player. He got 8reb last night, the previous night he got 4, the previous night 7, then 7 again, then 11, then 4. It's been this way the whole yr with him. Without Lee, Q's bad back and Balkman getting yo-yo minutes Eddy clearly should be snagging 10reb every game, every game, every game, every game,.... every game. Stop apologizing for him. Doesn't the team more than ever need him to step up his game? Ray Allen had 8reb last night also.
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3/7/2007  11:57 AM
Eddy Curry is not going to get you where you need to be, he simply has to be a second or third option.

Rashard Lewis, hopefully seattle thinks they may lose him and we can send Frye, Crawford and Nate over there, or find a shooter to space the floor better....

Part of this falls on Isiah for not really teaching eddy how to adjust to doubles, as stated by Cato they don't practice it. This team needs a little toughness inside and I think once Lee gets back a lot will change.

Fact of the matter is certain players rely on other people and I think eddy is that way with jamal and if eddy can't play without crawford he needs to be moved. Its one game, but there is a pattern of eddy not being there when we need him most.

AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT ISIAH DOESN"T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING AND DOESN"T KNOW THE GAME ONE NAME SUMS UP HIS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE: Jared Jefferies

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3/7/2007  11:58 AM
Posted by TMS:

Curry had 8 last night... what's your point? he's averaging a little over 7 a night this year, which isn't good by any stretch, but isn't horrible either... no one has ever said Curry was a good rebounder either... i realize you just want to be a PITA by taking potshots at people who offer up a possible reason why he may not be grabbing as many as he could on a particular night, but try to have a valid argument when you do it.

for me it's not really about the stats- it's about nick collison prancing by him for a tip-in. it's the lapses, not the overall production. it's tough to say whether he's been improving or not. i'm actually pretty happy with how eddy's looked jumping and snaring some rebounds the last few games, but just going on noticing good and bad plays i can't say whether he's actually "getting it" or not.
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3/7/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by TMS:

Curry had 8 last night... what's your point? he's averaging a little over 7 a night this year, which isn't good by any stretch, but isn't horrible either... no one has ever said Curry was a good rebounder either... i realize you just want to be a PITA by taking potshots at people who offer up a possible reason why he may not be grabbing as many as he could on a particular night, but try to have a valid argument when you do it.

for me it's not really about the stats- it's about nick collison prancing by him for a tip-in. it's the lapses, not the overall production. it's tough to say whether he's been improving or not. i'm actually pretty happy with how eddy's looked jumping and snaring some rebounds the last few games, but just going on noticing good and bad plays i can't say whether he's actually "getting it" or not.

i agree about the lapses... that frustrates the hell out of me too... the passing out of the double team is something he really needs to work on... he seems to panic when he gets the ball & teams collapse on him, more than he was earlier in the year... he needs to get the ball & go immediately into his move & not give the defense a chance to set itself... the Knicks need to figure out how to get him the ball in motion so he can avoid some of that also, so it's not just on him IMO... the coaching staff & his teammates need to get on the same page also.
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3/7/2007  12:21 PM
those 4 game stats are against some of the "weaker" competition in the league. these next 5 games will be more telling.
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3/7/2007  12:30 PM
Posted by TMS:

i agree about the lapses... that frustrates the hell out of me too... the passing out of the double team is something he really needs to work on... he seems to panic when he gets the ball & teams collapse on him, more than he was earlier in the year... he needs to get the ball & go immediately into his move & not give the defense a chance to set itself... the Knicks need to figure out how to get him the ball in motion so he can avoid some of that also, so it's not just on him IMO... the coaching staff & his teammates need to get on the same page also.

i find it really interesting that guys like frye and Q- and malik as of last night- do a much better job of catching the ball themselves, looking for curry and getting it to him immediately. maybe they have less to think about than steph and francis, or benefit from catching swing passes that let them hit curry as he rolls across the lane. those plays look very good. steph and steve holding the ball 30 feet from the basket taking 5 seconds to feed E-city does not look good.
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3/7/2007  12:36 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

Curry had 8 last night... what's your point? he's averaging a little over 7 a night this year, which isn't good by any stretch, but isn't horrible either... no one has ever said Curry was a good rebounder either... i realize you just want to be a PITA by taking potshots at people who offer up a possible reason why he may not be grabbing as many as he could on a particular night, but try to have a valid argument when you do it.

This is a guy who supoosedly wants to be and believe he was snubbed as an All-Star. Is he showing it on both ends of the court? And once again the team gave up a lot to get him and need far more than a 1-way player. He got 8reb last night, the previous night he got 4, the previous night 7, then 7 again, then 11, then 4. It's been this way the whole yr with him. Without Lee, Q's bad back and Balkman getting yo-yo minutes Eddy clearly should be snagging 10reb every game, every game, every game, every game,.... every game. Stop apologizing for him. Doesn't the team more than ever need him to step up his game? Ray Allen had 8reb last night also.

see, you keep harping back on the point that Eddy's not a franchise player when i've been in agreement w/you on it all year... the fact that he's not a good rebounder is obvious... who's debating that? you're calling people 'nitwits' for offering a possible reason why in some games he might not be grabbing as many as he could otherwise because he's playing alongside guys who are strong rebounders in their own right... there's only a certain amount of rebounding opportunities in any given game... if you think playing alongside good rebounders won't effect your own rebounding totals, i don't know what to tell you...

Ray Allen grabbed 8 last night... that's nice... is he playing w/any good rebounders on his team? just curious... Collison is an 8 rpg player... Wilcox is giving them a little over 7 a game... if you put D Lee on that team & he grabs 13, don't you think that would take a couple away from Ray's total? it's not that complicated a concept... on our team last night Q grabbed 9 & is averaging over 7 a game this season... if he's not on the floor it's not too hard to imagine Curry maybe grabbing 1 or 2 more than he did... so again, what's your point?
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3/7/2007  12:40 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by TMS:

i agree about the lapses... that frustrates the hell out of me too... the passing out of the double team is something he really needs to work on... he seems to panic when he gets the ball & teams collapse on him, more than he was earlier in the year... he needs to get the ball & go immediately into his move & not give the defense a chance to set itself... the Knicks need to figure out how to get him the ball in motion so he can avoid some of that also, so it's not just on him IMO... the coaching staff & his teammates need to get on the same page also.

i find it really interesting that guys like frye and Q- and malik as of last night- do a much better job of catching the ball themselves, looking for curry and getting it to him immediately. maybe they have less to think about than steph and francis, or benefit from catching swing passes that let them hit curry as he rolls across the lane. those plays look very good. steph and steve holding the ball 30 feet from the basket taking 5 seconds to feed E-city does not look good.

i think the 2 guys who are the best at getting Curry the ball down low are Jamal & D Lee, & i don't think it's a coincidence that he's struggled w/o both those guys in the rotation the past few games... Marbury & Francis are guys who are used to dominating the ball... Steph is back in a shooting rhythm these days, so he's going back to what he was more accustomed to doing, & Eddy's game is suffering because of it IMO... this is why i say i'd rather see Jamal orchestrating the offense on this team, because over the longhaul, i think our future is brighter going that route than having Steph being Starbury again... we've been there & done that w/him w/no positive results... time to focus on the young guys.
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3/7/2007  12:42 PM
He will never rebound the ball, they usually just come to him if eddy wanted to go get the ball he could have kg and dwight howard next to him he could still get 10, he doesn't make the effort. Comparing another players rbs is pointless if eddy wanted to do work he could......

And I love Marbury and Francis pounding the ball all of a sudden, how about crawford did the same thing. Crawford wasn't helping us get any more wins, you need lee out there being active, he doesn't get enough credit for his ability to pass the ball. He works very well with Eddy.......unlike the floor spacer, we should just have a steve kerr play power foward to space the floor for eddy because channing (the name says it all) is a joke and needs to be out of ny asap...
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3/7/2007  1:01 PM
Jamal works very well w/Curry... no use debating w/u on it tho, so think what you wanna think.
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Posted by MS:

Eddy Curry is not going to get you where you need to be, he simply has to be a second or third option.

Rashard Lewis, hopefully seattle thinks they may lose him and we can send Frye, Crawford and Nate over there, or find a shooter to space the floor better....

Part of this falls on Isiah for not really teaching eddy how to adjust to doubles, as stated by Cato they don't practice it. This team needs a little toughness inside and I think once Lee gets back a lot will change.

Fact of the matter is certain players rely on other people and I think eddy is that way with jamal and if eddy can't play without crawford he needs to be moved. Its one game, but there is a pattern of eddy not being there when we need him most.

AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT ISIAH DOESN"T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING AND DOESN"T KNOW THE GAME ONE NAME SUMS UP HIS LACK OF KNOWLEDGE: Jared Jefferies

The guy kills you out there

What IT knows about big mans game?
He is guard and this all he knows.
he is assiatant type of coach to work with guard at best. And I will think about giving him this job bacause of his me first mind set...
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3/7/2007  4:01 PM
Outgoing
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
16.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 4.7 apg in 37.5 minutes
Randy Foye
6-3 PG from Villanova
9.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 21.5 minutes
Incoming
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.9 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.8 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 25.6 minutes

Would you do this deal, you clear Crawfords salary off the books and get a young guard for the future
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3/7/2007  4:11 PM
with eddy curry as the franchise...there's probably little to no chance in jamal getting traded. i think one of our problem is that we rely too heavily on him - and that's more an indictment on how isiah has built this team than on him. make him the 6th man and i think we'd be ok. the problem is that means we still need a starting backcourt. steph is done soon (and i still don't think he belongs on this team) and quentin is 1/2 man, 1/2 back.

we have 5 contracts on the books:

1. jamal
2. quentin
3. jerome
4. jeffries
5. eddy...which he will opt out of in 2 seasons and command the max

those contracts on the books for so long are not good.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-07-2007 4:13 PM]
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3/7/2007  4:28 PM
Jamal/Frye/Jefferies/Nate to Atlanta for childress i am sure we can get atlanta to do something stupid
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